Template talk:Contentious topics

Consistent word to be used in Template:Contentious topics/alert/first

This makes a-i sentence consistent with gmo sentence and clearer.

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Kenneth Kho (talk) 10:38, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

 Done – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:18, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

"T:ACDS/T" listed at Redirects for discussion

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Template:Contentious topics/list closed tag

Jonesey95, as always, I am grateful for your work with lint errors. I am not sure this edit was necessary? I also closed the div on the same line, and lintHint doesn't show anything for the version before your edit. Was the template causing an error elsewhere? Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 02:51, 26 February 2025 (UTC)

The opening div tag was not closed with a > character. Look at the version prior to my edit, under the header "List"; the div tag syntax is exposed in the rendered page. That may be beautiful to some of us, but I didn't think it was what you intended. I recommend using Preview, and checking the section that you are editing, before publishing. (Note: I don't always do this, especially when I have an excess of confidence in my edit, and it gets me in trouble. I am always grateful when someone else cleans up my edit and doesn't scold me too fervently about it.) – Jonesey95 (talk) 02:55, 26 February 2025 (UTC)

Oh duh.  Self-trout and thank you for your help :) HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 02:56, 26 February 2025 (UTC)

Adding text for GS/AA for the Armenia-Azerbaijan alert

I can't seem to figure out where to find and edit the actual text that gets populated into the template corresponding to each code. I was hoping to add a note regarding WP:GS/AA to the a-a restriction similar to the 500/30 text that currently renders for a-i code. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 14:57, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

I see what you mean. I am guessing this was never done because the Committee voted down a remedy to take over the community's ECR. Given that it would be blurring the lines (ever so slightly) between what is an ArbCom thing and what is a community thing, I think it is reasonable to note ECR (with perhaps a note that it is not actually imposed by ArbCom). Thoughts before I formally consult with the Committee, Rosguill? Best, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:46, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

To that end, I think simply adding something like Additionally, Armenia-Azerbaijan topics are governed by the community-imposed restriction WP:GS/AA, which limits participation... _signed, Rosguill ^talk 00:51, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

I was coding this up (the WIP is in my sandbox), but I realized that the ECR authorization is not 1:1 with the CTOP designation. See the AN discussion which found discussion to narrow the ECR authorization. So perhaps an |ECR=yes parameter which would specify that the ECR applies to the page? Best, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 03:06, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

@Rosguill: Status update: the wrapper thing exists at {{ARBAA}}, but is does not work properly when added by specifying |a-a. Still debugging, and apologies that this is taking a while... HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 07:20, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

 Done; change made. Best, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 23:08, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

@HouseBlaster: Looking at Talk:Aq Qoyunlu, and about thirty other talk pages, I see the error message:

Administrator must specify date placed for restrictions placed on this page

I put the previous version of the template in Template:Contentious topics/page restriction talk notice/sandbox and when I used that in Show preview the error message went away.

I don't see what this error-check has to do with adding text for GS/AA for the Armenia-Azerbaijan alert. Do you have Arbitration Committee approval to make this change? I would revert you, but haven't asked for Arbcom permission to revert you.

If this change is kept, then someone needs to fix the errors on these ~30 pages (make sure the template documentation documents what's required here). – wbm1058 (talk) 15:35, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

I've removed the error message; they are still in Category:Wikipedia pages with contentious topic restrictions without a placed date. Best, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 16:23, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

Contentious topics/talk notice tmbox type and TALKORDER priority

Perceived problem: I sometimes clean up talk page bannerspace according to WP:TALKORDER. It is rarely the case that Template:Contentious topics/talk notice is properly prioritized, i.e., placed high enough.

Hypothesis on the cause: Controversial articles' talk pages that have got the matching CT banner(s), also often contain Template:Controversial and Template:Not a forum. These two are intuitively perceived as top-priority and "critical" because of the orange border. It's more natural to put them above all templates which do not have such "see this first" color coding. Whenever these templates are on the talk page, relative to them, the Contentious topics talk notice subjectively feels like paperwork and is often put below them or last ... However, the Contentious topics talk notice is the true critical warning template that needs to be heeded. It is a lot more important and also more helpful than the generic "this topic is controversial" banner, and especially more helpful than the "not a forum banner" which just restates what the standard talk header says. According to TALKORDER, the CT talk notice has priority over the generic warning templates.

Solution: Contentious topics/talk notice tmbox type should be changed to "content", so that it also gets the orange border and looks like this

In brief: This is a proposal to put the orange border around the CT talk notice.—Alalch E. 23:47, 6 May 2025 (UTC)