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Hi! This is my talk page, feel free to drop me a message. To experienced editors: feel free to stalk my talk page and reply to any threads here.To admins: I prefer that my talk page remain unprotected, even if it's being vandalized. Such edits do not particularly bother me and I prefer to remain accessible to anyone who would like to reach me. However, if the volume of vandalism is so high that no other solution would stop disruption, I don't mind if my talk page is semi-protected for a day or two. Hopefully, this is a rare occurrence.

Question from Kevliuliu (04:33, 18 March 2025)

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Hi Elli,

An editor has nominated my article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dim_Tu_Tac) for deletion. It is recognized as "not a notable restaurant," although I have included reliable sources in the article.

Could you give me advice on how to improve the article? I would be pleased to update the article to comply with Wikipedia's policy.

I look forward to hearing from you soon.

Best regards. --Kevliuliu (talk) 04:33, 18 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Kevliuliu hi, and I'm really sorry for not replying to you earlier. Seems like the article got kept, and I think you generally have the right idea about how to show notability. One important consideration: no amount of editing can overcome a lack of notability -- there's some topics where the sources just don't exist, and there is nothing you can do about it. However, this doesn't look like one of them. Elli (talk | contribs) 20:14, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Question from GeniusBalls on Gatberg (18:49, 25 March 2025)

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How do I add a picture? --GeniusBalls (talk) 18:49, 25 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@GeniusBalls hello and apologies for the late reply. You can upload the picture to Wikimedia Commons as long as you're the one who took it, and Help:Pictures should explain how to add it to the article. Elli (talk | contribs) 20:15, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Question from Felix The Rizzler (00:58, 26 March 2025)

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How do I create a Link to a specific website? --Felix The Rizzler (talk) 00:58, 26 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Felix The Rizzler apologies for the late reply. Help:Link should explain this. Elli (talk | contribs) 20:16, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Question from MaDoYisa (15:23, 1 April 2025)

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Hello

How to edit a picture --MaDoYisa (talk) 15:23, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@MaDoYisa hello. I'm not exactly sure what you want help with; can you elaborate? Elli (talk | contribs) 20:16, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Question from LoopNORA (12:27, 2 April 2025)

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Hello could I ask you how I could make my recent made page better any suggestions or recommendations? Here's the link it is currently a draft https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Nora-alliance --LoopNORA (talk) 12:27, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@LoopNORA thanks for reaching out. I don't think any of the sources in that page demonstrate notability. None of the sources cited talk about the organization itself. You'd need multiple independent, reliable sources with significant coverage of the organization to be notable. I suggest you work on finding those first. Elli (talk | contribs) 20:18, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Question from Grigsqfel (17:11, 2 April 2025)

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Hi! I have just edited to include a public person's name and particular work, both with existing wikipedia pages. How do I make the words hyperlink to these? Thanks! --Grigsqfel (talk) 17:11, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Grigsqfel hi and thanks for reaching out. Help:Link should explain this; in general, you can wrap the text to link with two square brackets [[like this]]. Elli (talk | contribs) 20:18, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Question from Pramod2723 (08:38, 4 April 2025)

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Hello mam, I recently posted a article why is it not published? --Pramod2723 (talk) 08:38, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Pramod2723 I assume you are talking about User:Pramod2723/sandbox? It is in your sandbox currently. I suggest you submit it via articles for creation when you're ready to publish it. In its current state, it stands effectively no chance of being accepted, though. You need more independent reliable sources with significant coverage of the subject, and all content in the page needs to have a source. Elli (talk | contribs) 20:20, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Absent Description

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I recently added a subject, Kenechi Uzor, but his description, "writer and publisher", doesn't show up in the search box here on Wikipedia and the subject doesn't appear on Google. What is the problem? Rema36 (talk) 12:13, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Rema36 I don't know about the Wikipedia search, but for Google, the page hasn't been indexed yet because it has not yet been patrolled by a new page patroller. You'll just have to wait for it to be reviewed. Elli (talk | contribs) 20:22, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Administrators' newsletter – April 2025

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (March 2025).

Administrator changes

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Bureaucrat changes

added Barkeep49

CheckUser changes

added 0xDeadbeef

Oversighter changes

removed GB fan
readded Moneytrees

Miscellaneous

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Question from Nopowernoblood (03:01, 10 April 2025)

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I think the ‘Discrimination against atheists’ page should be renamed to ‘Persecution of atheists’ since you can still get the death penalty for it in 13 countries. I really don’t understand that talk page at all.

There are many specific pages for “Persecution against [religious group] in so-and-so”, and I don’t like anti-atheism bias nor that it has just a catch-all page that I don’t know if is really updated good?

Also, it’s persecution for religious groups, but the other page it’s ’Irreligion in the Middle East’ when you can get executed in some of those countries? That’s the only two pages I see for atheists in that regard and I do think it’s ridiculous to be that obvious pro-religious.

I also think there should be some type of page that talks about Christians persecuting other groups in America, theories like evolution, used to justify slavery, LGBTQ+ repression/oppression, atheist bigotry during the Red Scare. I just see the ‘Christian persecution complex’ which doesn’t really even talk about them banning evolution for decades. Not sure if that would fit though, but.

Anyway, all I got for now thanks for reading. --Nopowernoblood (talk) 03:01, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know how to reply to 'Prejudice vs. Discrimination" on this page like I do here, all I see is edit source? Do I start a new topic?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Discrimination_against_atheists Nopowernoblood (talk) 16:37, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Nopowernoblood the reason is because the comment isn't signed, so the Reply tool cannot find it. You can just click the "edit source" button, and add your comment below. WP:THREAD should explain this. Elli (talk | contribs) 18:03, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. I tried the Preview but what I seen to do either didn't indent/work or gave me a 1. so I just left it with --- Nopowernoblood (talk) 18:55, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Question from Redvelvetmedia (00:53, 13 April 2025)

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Hello how do I create a profile for a famous person? --Redvelvetmedia (talk) 00:53, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Question from Nopowernoblood (19:33, 13 April 2025)

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Why do some pages still use “BC” instead of “BCE”?

Example, for Xenophanes, am I allowed to correct it? --Nopowernoblood (talk) 19:33, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Question from IazYMusic (21:20, 13 April 2025)

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how can i create bio for a music artist? --IazYMusic (talk) 21:20, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Question from Nopowernoblood (00:49, 14 April 2025)

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I can't find this page I wrote up. It was basically a short essay and I'm annoyed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard#You_should_not_have_to_make_a_talk_discussion_to_change_BC/AD_to_BCE/CE_if_the_page_has_nothing_to_do_with_Christianity

Why did it deleted or moved, and why can't I view it? --Nopowernoblood (talk) 00:49, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Nopowernoblood it was removed from the page by Bbb23 because it's not really relevant to what that page discusses. WP:AN is for conduct issues and other matters relevant particularly to administrators; it's not really for discussion about content.
On the subject of what you posted: you can generally be bold, but if someone challenges what you are doing, you have to communicate with them with the goal of forming a consensus about what to do. Whether to use BC/AD or BCE/CE is established by MOS:ERA, and if you want to change that guideline, the correct place to discuss this would be Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Dates and numbers. Elli (talk | contribs) 01:07, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
(talk page stalker) I was looking at Nopowernoblood's arguments; I found some compelling. They may find some supporters on such merits. BusterD (talk) 01:10, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! I just now seen this. This site is extremely hard to navigate... Nopowernoblood (talk) 01:12, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
At first, granted. When you have 5,000 edits you won't say that. Welcome! If you need help, ask somebody. BusterD (talk) 01:15, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Nopowernoblood no worries :) please let me know if you have any questions. Elli (talk | contribs) 01:19, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Request Spam-whitelist

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki_talk:Spam-whitelist&oldid=1282850864 Genovese sauce source link
Recovered the recipe link used as a source. Sadly, the site that it was re-uploaded to is not allowed. I apologize if you aren't someone to request help in this matter.
V/R

RCSCott91 (talk) 01:23, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Seems like it got added by Pppery. Sorry, been somewhat busy the past few days or I would've taken a look sooner. Elli (talk | contribs) 16:43, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Literally was added within hours of my request. Thank you for taking the time.
RCSCott91 (talk) 18:34, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Question from Nkosiphe (15:06, 17 April 2025)

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I will be happy if I'm guided through the basics of editing . --Nkosiphe (talk) 15:06, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Nkosiphe hi! Is there something in particular you'd like help with? If you want a basic guided tour, The Wikipedia Adventure might help. Elli (talk | contribs) 16:45, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Question from XanalaniaW (15:46, 17 April 2025)

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How are articles made? I want of Łukasz Jakowski and AOH2&3 --XanalaniaW (talk) 15:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@XanalaniaW hi! Help:Your first article should help. Elli (talk | contribs) 23:19, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Question from IngebRuadh (15:53, 19 April 2025)

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Hi, may I please ask a question? I am a German retired journalist living in Glasgow, Scotland. A friend of mine, Mike Hentz, is an artist with an existing, well referenced Wikipedia page in German language. He asked me whether I could help him establish the same article in English. So basically, I would not want to create a "new" article, instead I only want to create a translated article. Is there a shortcut for setting up the translation of an existing article in another language? In German Wikipedia, there is a button called "Importwunsch" meaning request to import, and it serves to import any language article into German Wikipedia. Still, I cannot find a similiar button in English language Wikipedia.... Thank you so much for your answer, kind regards Ingeborg. --IngebRuadh (talk) 15:53, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@IngebRuadh you should be able to use the Special:ContentTranslation tool here. Given that you aren't extended confirmed yet, you'll need to make the output a page in "Draft" space (like Draft:Mike Hentz) and then move it to article-space after finishing translation. Elli (talk | contribs) 23:21, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you very much, I will try that. Should I encounter further questions, I will ask you again. Happy Easter-Monday tomorrow. IngebRuadh (talk) 21:41, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination for deletion of Template:Deadnaming editnotice

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Template:Deadnaming editnotice has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:39, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Question from Laldrich1952 (23:51, 21 April 2025)

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Hi. I am having a book published (I am co-author) and want to write a page about it. I am using the page for the new book "Abundance" as a guide. First, can I write this since I am co-author? Second, where do I start? I did open the sandbox and am playing around there. Thank you! --Laldrich1952 (talk) 23:51, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Question from XanalaniaW on List of islands by population (09:37, 23 April 2025)

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Hello, I was trying to add "(Negros Occidental, Negros Oriental)" to the Philippines rectangle because I saw "(New York)" Next to USA but I just got stuck in the center because every time I swiped I selected something. How do I scroll... --XanalaniaW (talk) 09:37, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Question from SomeApolloGuy (21:38, 23 April 2025)

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Hi, so there's this game that from what i see either doesn't have a page, or was deleted for whatever reason, if it would be a good idea to make a page, what is like... the best categories i should make it have? (game is Wobbledogs if that helps.) --SomeApolloGuy (talk) 21:38, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Question from RandomUser1818 (00:39, 24 April 2025)

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Hi,as far as you know,is editing complicated? --RandomUser1818 (talk) 00:39, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Question from Waseembali777 (15:16, 24 April 2025)

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Hello i need some guidance. Can we add a photo having "Watermark" of any town or village from a credible source? --Waseembali777 (talk) 15:16, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Waseembali777 hi! Generally, photos need to be freely licensed per WP:IUPC. Given this, watermarks are strongly discouraged. Elli (talk | contribs) 17:05, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ok Thanks for guidance Waseembali777 (talk) 15:36, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

New pages patrol May 2025 Backlog drive

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Question from Misopatam (08:43, 25 April 2025)

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Hello... You are my mentor. How to show on user page or talk page that this is second account after the lost access to password to the first account. --Misopatam (talk) 08:43, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Question from 82alex22 on Aleister Crowley (22:48, 26 April 2025)

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Hello. On Aleister Crowley's page, about his influence on pop, I would like to point out that one of the greatest singers in Brazil, Raul Seixas, mentioned him in one of his hits, "Sociedade Alternativa", in addition to other references throughout almost all of his work. It was Raul Seixas who popularized rock in Brazil, and for that reason... I am sure it is fair to mention this great artist, for his importance, originality (for mixing rock with typically Brazilian rhythms), for the quality of his lyrics (many in partnership with the important mystical and fictional writer Paulo Coelho), in order to give visibility to musical production in other languages. Any song in a language other than English is automatically unfeasible - the point is that the voice in music <is an instrument>, and each language <is a different instrument>, so the most important thing in music should not be immediate comprehension - which can be resolved later by reading a translation - but <the melody of the language itself>.

The only problem — since I'm sure Raul should have been mentioned — is that... I can't edit! So if you could check out the artist's work, see it for yourself, and correct this injustice, I'd be grateful. Obrigado for your attention. --82alex22 (talk) 22:48, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@82alex22 I'm not sure why you can't make this edit, as the page doesn't appear to be protected. However, you can make an edit request on the article's talk page. Elli (talk | contribs) 17:03, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

WikiCup 2025 May newsletter

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The second round of the 2025 WikiCup ended on 28 April at 23:59 UTC. To reiterate what we said in the previous newsletter, we are no longer disqualifying contestants based on how many points (now known as round points) they received. Instead, the contestants with the highest round-point totals now receive tournament points at the end of each round. These tournament points are carried over between rounds, and can only be earned if a competitor is among the top 16 round-point scorers at the end of each round. This table shows all competitors who have received tournament points so far. Everyone who competed in round 2 will advance to round 3 unless they have withdrawn or been banned.

Round 2 was quite competitive. Four contestants scored more than 1,000 round points, and eight scored more than 500 points (including one who has withdrawn). The following competitors scored at least 800 points:

In addition, we would like to recognize Generalissima (submissions) for her efforts; she scored 801 round points but withdrew before the end of the round.

The full scores for round 2 can be seen here. During this round, contestants have claimed 13 featured articles, 20 featured lists, 4 featured-topic articles, 138 good articles, 7 good-topic articles, and more than 100 Did You Know articles. In addition, competitors have worked on 19 In the News articles, and they have conducted nearly 300 reviews.

Remember that any content promoted after 28 April but before the start of Round 3 can be claimed in Round 3. Invitations for collaborative writing efforts or any other discussion of potentially interesting work is always welcome on the WikiCup talk page. Remember, if two or more WikiCup competitors have done significant work on an article, all can claim points. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews Needed. If you want to help out with the WikiCup, feel free to review one of the nominations listed on Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews Needed. Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove your name from Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 01:02, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Question from Sattam Mandal (16:31, 29 April 2025)

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How can i add article? --Sattam Mandal (talk) 16:31, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Sattam Mandal hi! Help:Your first article should be useful. Elli (talk | contribs) 17:02, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:2028 Ohio elections

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A tag has been placed on Category:2028 Ohio elections indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and removing the speedy deletion tag. ✗plicit 12:16, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:2028 in Ohio

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A tag has been placed on Category:2028 in Ohio indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and removing the speedy deletion tag. ✗plicit 12:16, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Question from Rashid Studies and work abroad on Francis Greenway (00:38, 1 May 2025)

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How do I get citation --Rashid Studies and work abroad (talk) 00:38, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Question from SourceGardener (05:55, 2 May 2025)

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Hi, Sir i need Help. I want to write a an article on UmarJaum on Wikipedia.But i am not confirmed whether it qualifies or not.If you Don't mind and Have sometime then please can you assist me. Here is article. Great! Here's your Wikipedia-ready Wikitext version of the article, written in a neutral, encyclopedic tone, and emphasizing verifiable notability based on third-party sources:

Article draft collapsed. Elli (talk | contribs) 16:05, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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UmarJaum
Birth nameMuhammad Umar Jabar
Born (2008-02-01) February 1, 2008 (age 17)
Khanewal, Punjab, Pakistan
Occupation(s)Singer, songwriter, actor
Years active2020–present
LabelsIndependent

UmarJaum (born Muhammad Umar Jabar; 1 February 2008) is a Pakistani singer, songwriter, and actor. He is recognized for his vocal performances across digital music platforms and for his emerging presence in South Asian cinema. His work has been featured in notable productions and discussed in multiple entertainment publications.

Early life

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UmarJaum was born in Khanewal, Punjab, Pakistan. He began his career in entertainment as a teenager, entering the music scene in 2020 with independently released tracks that gained traction on streaming services.

Career

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Music

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UmarJaum's single "Tere Layi" received attention for its chart performance and was featured in multiple media outlets, citing its quick rise in streaming numbers. His other notable release, "Chhad Gyi," was described as a musical thriller and praised for its suspenseful composition.[1].

References

  1. ^ https://cinetown.org/feed/112-%22UmarJaum%E2%80%99s-Chhad-Gyi:-A-Musical-Thriller-That-Echoes-the-Suspense-of-Spy-Dramas%22

I have more citations but i am unable to send all in this message. --SourceGardener (talk) 05:55, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@SourceGardener: you'd definitely need more citations to reliable sources to demonstrate the subject meets our notability guideline for musicians. You also should write the article in your own words instead of using a large language model. Elli (talk | contribs) 16:06, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
https://isni.org/isni/0000000524114122
https://cinetown.org/feed/126-Umarjaum:-The-Voice-of-a-New-Era-in-Pakistan's-Music-Scene
https://cinetown.org/feed/125-UmarJaum%E2%80%99s-Secret-Role-in-Pathaan%E2%80%94The-Untold-Behind-the-Scenes-Story
https://cinetown.org/feed/121-Sanam-Teri-Kasam-Re-Release-Breaks-Records-%E2%80%93-And-UmarJaum%E2%80%99s-Voice-Adds-to-the-Magic
https://cinetown.org/feed/120-Salman-Khan%E2%80%99s-Hollywood-Debut-Sparks-Buzz%E2%80%94And-Fans-Wonder,-Where-is-UmarJaum?
https://cinetown.org/feed/112-%22UmarJaum%E2%80%99s-Chhad-Gyi:-A-Musical-Thriller-That-Echoes-the-Suspense-of-Spy-Dramas%22
https://cinetown.org/feed/23-BREAKING:-UmarJaum%E2%80%99s-New-Song-%E2%80%9CTere-Layi%E2%80%9D-Becomes-Instant-Hit,-Sets-Streaming-Records
https://cinetown.org/feed/53-Bade-Miyan-Chote-Miyan-(2024):-Akshay-Kumar,-Tiger-Shroff,-and-UmarJaum%E2%80%99s-Bollywood-Breakthrough
https://123fullmovie.us/ghoststories/person/5136872/umarjaum
https://m.imdb.com/name/nm17189939/awards
https://www.tvguide.com/celebrities/m-umar-jaum/bio/3061115250/
https://hasura.scorum.com/person/umarjaum
https://musicbrainz.org/artist/96c04b78-e737-4566-8fb5-36e2e1ecbc57
https://music.apple.com/nz/album/yaarian-single/1736142285
https://www.tvtime.com/people/9136210-umarjaum
https://thetvdb.com/people/9136210-umarjaum
https://www.justwatch.com/uk/movie/dil-diyan-gallan
https://www.tvmaze.com/people/446496/umarjaum
https://bollywoodjalwa.com/person/umarjaum/
https://cinetown.org/feed/53-Bade-Miyan-Chote-Miyan-(2024):-Akshay-Kumar,-Tiger-Shroff,-and-UmarJaum%E2%80%99s-Bollywood-Breakthrough
https://cinetown.org/feed/23-BREAKING:-UmarJaum%E2%80%99s-New-Song-%E2%80%9CTere-Layi%E2%80%9D-Becomes-Instant-Hit,-Sets-Streaming-Records
https://cinetown.org/feed/144-November-born-celebrities-have-made-remarkable-contributions-to-Bollywood-and-the-entertainment-industry.
https://cinetown.org/feed/129-EXCLUSIVE-REPORT:-M.-UmarJaum-and-Elle-Fanning-Officially-Married-%E2%80%94-Private-Ceremony-Held-One-Month-Ago
https://www.zodflix.com/people/1669502/umarjaum
https://m.imdb.com/title/tt13022984/
https://www.jiosaavn.com/artist/umar-jaum-songs/D6iYvwoelWA_
https://criticless.com/people/5136872
https://music.yandex.ru/artist/23858053
https://www.deezer.com/en/artist/256128012
https://www.boomplay.com/albums/86874997
https://www.pandora.com/umarjaum/AR:17300199
https://www.justwatch.com/us/search?q=UmarJaum&person_id=2860295
https://enjoymovie.net/zh-hk/people/M4Ab8rovp1/umarjaum
https://letterboxd.com/actor/umarjaum/
https://watch.zflix.click/actors/umarjaum/25643
https://www.hungama.com/album/spell-one/107707169/
https://actoragecheck.com/actor/UmarJaum/5136872
https://www.beatsource.com/artist/umarjaum/1149093
https://depositphotos.com/gr/photos/umarjaum.html
https://www.azmovies.net/actor/5136872/umarjaum
https://www.prlog.org/13072453-khanewals-rising-star-umar-jaum-vanishes-after-cryptic-online-message-mystery-grips-the-nation.html
https://www.palomitacas.com/biografia/umarjaum-5136872
https://www.sharingful.com/us/catalog/movie/1399754-panjab-files&ved=2ahUKEwi7vZ-uh4SNAxWYh_0HHRe4Fhs4KBAWegQIHRAB&usg=AOvVaw1HpmhTnvRyu2k_Fx7owAAQ
These citations are enough? SourceGardener (talk) 06:36, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@SourceGardener I am not going to review all of those citations, but no, these are generally not the sort of thing you want. cinetown.org appears to be a wiki, so cannot be used as a source. Same with imdb, musicbrainz, etc. You need reliable sources with significant coverage. Two or three sources like that should be enough, but they need to be good. Elli (talk | contribs) 20:53, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Question from Wikigiangi321 (21:57, 2 May 2025)

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hello. How do i add images to my draft? --Wikigiangi321 (talk) 21:57, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Wikigiangi321 First of all upload your images to wikimedia Commons,then you can use on Wikipedia. SourceGardener (talk) 16:53, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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I moved the article you created for a possible future by-election to Draft:2025 Battle River—Crowfoot federal by-election; though given how WP:CRYSTAL it all is, I'd think that policy would be that we delete it; but these seems more pragmatic until we hear otherwise. He can't resign until the vote counting is complete - and as far as I understand it, he can't resign until a new Speaker is elected on May 26, as Mary Simon can't call a by-election until notified by the Speaker - who currently doesn't exist. This is why he has only announced his intention to resign - and given what's currently going on in the party, a lot can change in the over 3 weeks until he can resign. If the party begins to remove Pierre Poilievre as leader (which surely is highly possible given the unprecedented magnitude of Poilievre's loss, and the various news reports), Damien Kurek will surely rescind his intention and not submit his resignation. It's also possible in that time, that another MP may instead resign (or who knows ... die), which would change the plan. Of course, these possibilities that I suggest are entirely WP:CRYSTAL - as is this article. Personally, if I were him, I wouldn't be submitting my resignation until after the Charles III makes his speech; would you miss an event that has only happened twice since Canada was created 200+ years ago? Nfitz (talk) 22:53, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Nfitz General practice is to make the article as soon as the intent to resign is announced; sometimes this election does get cancelled (for example 2025 New York's 21st congressional district special election), but there's always a valid merge target in those cases. I understand the other side of this, but having an article is more valuable to our readers than not having one, and more in line with how reliable sources treat the subject. Elli (talk | contribs) 22:57, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Reliable sources haven't even begun to discuss this - especially with today's announcements by the PM and the fuss about Charles III. No reliable source claimed he had already resigned, which is what was being added (perhaps after your original edits). Putting suitable text in the other articles such as that for PP, By-elections to the 45th Canadian Parliament is fine though. Or even PP's electoral history article. I think that get's what people need. And yes, now I think about it, a redirect would be appropriate. I'll create one, and remove the SD. Nfitz (talk) 23:24, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Further thoughts - I'm not sure that foreign example "Cancelled special election for New York's 21st congressional district" is actually correct. My understanding is that an election wasn't called? Ergo it could not be cancelled. I'm not saying the text shouldn't be there. But there's probably a better word than Cancelled (odd that it's spelled correctly, rather than in American-English - or has Wikipedia finally started using spelling based on location/settings). Either way though, we're not Yanks, so we're the last people who should be editing it!
Another issue is that is that the by-election could not happen if there's another federal election. And as the vote on the King's speech is a confidence vote, then it's entirely possible that the entire thing is moot, with another federal election in July 2025. Given the PM's comments today, we are in 1979 territory - and we all know what happened that time. And if Simon fails to call an election and pulls another King-Byng, then we are in 1926 territory and all bets are off. There's just too much Crystal here - and so much unprecedented stuff has already happened in the last 5 months since the rise of illiberal democracy in, and threats of war and annexation by, the USA. Nfitz (talk) 23:55, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Nfitz please stop move-warring about this. I've already reverted your draftification once; I encourage you to self-revert and take the article to AfD. There is no "I really think it shouldn't be an article yet" clause that allows you to repeatedly draftify an article. Elli (talk | contribs) 00:53, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Sigh - I thought we were done. If you can explain to me why this isn't CRYSTAL, then I'll self-revert - in the same way I self-reverted the SD on the redirect, admitted that your suggestion of redirection to a target was correct, and redirected it! There's so many reasons this may not happen - I'm sure you've seen the reports about the turmoil within the CCP. It's not like there's a written job offer here - this is, at this point, internal politics about a resignation that literally couldn't occur for weeks, and a by-election that may not occur until 2026 (though the PM has committed to the unusual act of asking Simon to call it quickly - but will really happen if they start the devil's face ads again?). It's completely CRYSTAL. I'm open to arguments though; which riding has had the article created so early before? I'd sooner not start an AFD process on something that's so clearly cut-and-dried. Also, can you please G7 Template:2025 Canadian federal by-elections/Battle River—Crowfoot. Nfitz (talk) 01:25, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Nfitz I've already given you an explanation: numerous reliable sources have reported on the election. And no, I can't G7 that as I did not create it. Move the article back to mainspace, nominate it for deletion, then we can debate this in full. Elli (talk | contribs) 01:41, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Ah sorry, I thought you had created it. By debate, you mean start a multi-week long AFD process - or longer given how poor AFD participation is these days. No. And no you haven't explained it. You've pointed to a foreign example in a failing democracy where someone was given a written job offer that was later rescinded. This is nothing like that. Nothing has been promised. RS are clear that an intention to resign a month from now was given. How is this different than when P.E. Trudeau rescinded his resignation when he was opposition leader? Please address my points - or at least give examples of a similar riding and comparison to Trudeau's resignation. Nfitz (talk) 02:02, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
When you first created the article, you falsely wrote that he HAD resigned, and a by-election will BE held. You know this was wrong. Why you are trying to die on this hill I don't know. You are now trying to justify the existence of a very clearly CRYSTAL article that you created with a different understanding of what had happened. If your original understanding was correct, then the article would have made sense. But how could it have been correct? How could have have already resigned? That raises concerns of understanding of basic civics and how the government works. I'd suggest you stay out of editing in such areas. Nfitz (talk) 02:07, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Nfitz again, you don't get to avoid Wikipedia's processes just because you personally would rather they not apply. I'm happy to explain my rationale in more detail... at AfD. Not here. Your actions here have been in violation of WP:DRAFTOBJECT, and as you have been unwilling to self-revert, I am reverting you here again. Please just take the page to AfD. Elli (talk | contribs) 02:20, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, interesting. I wish we wouldn't keep changing the "rules". The number of times that I've seen editors do that. But at the same time, you very clearly violated the bit about not doing original research, by posting things that simply weren't documented in your source - well I exaggerate it - you clearly misunderstood the G&M article you used. And then refused to back down after it was pointed out that you don't understand how it's working.
I think you reverting this is the wrong action. Yes, I shouldn't have reverted based on these new rules ... BUT YOU KNOW! This is called Disrupting Wikipedia to make a point. And you should know that this is very CRYSTAL. I've made very clear that I'm open to discussion, and that I will (and have) changed my edits based on discussion. There was WP:NORUSH here, and I feel we could have worked through this (at least before you became condescending - while editing in a field you don't seem to understand well). What would have been best is for you to explain why you don't think this is CRYSTAL by using policy and/or relevant examples. I've cited many issues now, and you haven't challenged one of them. While I've pointed out all the reasons that your sole (foreign!) example is not relevant. You are showing both WP:OWNERSHIP and WP:BATTLEGROUND behaviour here. Also, the use of the phrase "you don't get to avoid Wikipedia's processes" sounds a bit uncivil and condescending to me. Please read WP:CIVIL. This is really not the behaviour I expect from a fellow Canadian on such wonkish subject matter. And really - you get to say that I don't get to avoid Wikipedia's processes? Wikipedia's process is to talk things out, and avoid drama. And you've tossed out the CRYSTAL policy and taken your own executive action WHILE I'm trying to discuss this. Even your first comment "general practice is to make the article as soon as the intent to resign is announced". No, we don't. We put a mention in existing articles that person X has decided to do Y rather than creating an article on the new sports team he has promised to create. Would we have created an article when Trudeau promised to resign after his electoral loss? Of course not.
I'm not in favour of starting unnecessary processes. Can you please apologize and explain to me why this isn't CRYSTAL, so that I don't start what (who knows ...) may be an unnecessary AFD. Let's start this again. Nfitz (talk) 02:49, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Nfitz I've already explained my thinking to you and I'm not interested in discussing this further here. If you take this to AfD, I will elaborate on my reasoning. Getting a clearer consensus on how to deal with this type of situation will be an improvement regardless of how that discussion goes. Elli (talk | contribs) 02:53, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
An unnecessary AFD is disruptive to Wikipedia. Why do want to interrupt Wikipedia to make a point? Have I understood your point - no. Have you tried to make it - maybe, but I can't see it. Why would you want me to create an AFD just so you can point out why we don't need an AFD, rather than following Wikipedia policy and discussing this in Talk first. Please explain what your point is. Nfitz (talk) 02:59, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Nfitz given that the two of us evidently disagree on whether this page should exist, I do not view such an AfD as "unnecessary" at all. I've already given you an explanation and I am sorry that you do not find it satisfying. Elli (talk | contribs) 03:02, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes we disagree currently. But when 2 people disagree about something, they talk about it, and normally come to agreement. Which is why you seldom see lawyers and judges disagreeing with each other - because they all understand how the law works (or at least come to an understanding).
WP:AFD requires that before starting an AFD that one applies WP:BEFORE one should consider alternatives to deletion (WP:ATD). ATD notes that "content issues should be discussed at the relevant talk page, and other methods of dispute resolution should be used first, such as listing on Wikipedia:Requests for comments for further input". We aren't talking about notability or something, that could more quickly lead to a disagreement and head to AFD. Absolutely, if a by-election happens, it will be notable. But it does not need to be split off the main article By-elections to the 45th Canadian Parliament until CRYSTAL is no longer a significant issue. (what's the RUSH?). At least that's what I think.
You have told me that you think the article should remain, even after it was clear that your initial understanding about when the resignation had (will) occur was wrong.
And you have told me that you have told me why, but I can't see this. I have asked you to explain, but you told me that you have a further explanation, but you won't tell me unless I start an AFD.
Is my understanding of all this correct?
Can you at least simply cut-and-paste what the explanation you've already given? Nfitz (talk) 03:31, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
(sorry for all the WP links - I thought you were new here, and didn't understand some of this stuff like Crystal - but I'm just reading otherwise. Which perplexes me even more why you won't point out to me what I clearly must have missed). Nfitz (talk) 03:46, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Nfitz we have differing interpretations of WP:CRYSTAL. I will elaborate on my interpretation: Point 1 is the only part of CRYSTAL this could fall under (the others clearly do not apply). However, preparation for the event is already in progress, and there is already well-documented speculation about the event (as can be demonstrated by ample media coverage. There is plenty that can be said about this election already, and even if it is cancelled (worth noting that no media outlets are hedging like this), there will be plenty more to say about it. Hopefully this makes my views more clear. Elli (talk | contribs) 04:10, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes thank-you. That makes it more clear where you disagree. And I think you make a very good case of why putting the information in the main article isn't Crystal. I'm not sure I'd expect the media to say much at the moment - the entire industry lost a night's sleep this week, and this isn't even the 2nd most significant political occurrence today. If one of the papers is on to something then it would drop on the door step overnight, and on a 6 AM or 7 AM release on their website. (for some reason lately my paper arrives at around 3 AM - about when I go to bed ... occasionally leaving an odd period of time where I can see the breaking news, that can't be found on the Internet). They've got days to play this out. I digress ...
What preparations are in progress? The returning officer is already in place. Elections Canada can even recycle the polling maps and even the election workers. Parties would probably stick with the same candidates, and not do nominations - or else the party leader would just appoint someone to run (it's not like the result is in doubt - possibly the safest seat in North America!). They are already weeks ahead of where they normally are - and can't do a thing officially until May 26 (in which case election day is July 7 if the PM keeps his promise to the opposition). If they wait until May 30 to resign, election day is still July 7. But we already know that Parliament isn't scheduled to sit from June 20 to September 15. Surely the CPC will game this so there's something like a September 8th vote, so they can get media coverage they won't get in July/August, and have momentum going into the fall session, when PP can finally appear at Question Period, and try to trigger a new election. I'm sure there's backroom discussion and plotting going on ... of course none of this is mentionable in main space, as it's entirely speculative/OR/Crystal. (though I guess the polling stations might be challenging given how many are in schools).
What I'm not sure is if a stand-alone article is kocher (or even necessary) at this time. WP:PAGEDECIDE tells us that Sometimes, when information about a future event is scarce, coverage may instead be better suited to a larger encompassing article (and perhaps that should be 45th Canadian Parliament or it's (also premature but almost inevitable) sub-page By-elections to the 45th Canadian Parliament).
Perhaps the root cause to all this is that Wikipedia is not News. With the 24-hour news cycle, we are all to quick to document something that would only be a footnote in history. We are quick to delete or more often draftify an article for a sport-season that's created a couple of months early, because there's no content. Perhaps we should have a rule that nothing ever gets created until 24-hours after it became notable.
Anyhow - you've made me think. Deletion is certainly not the answer. It's a redirect or merge at this stage - and an RfD later if this falls through. And I've always argued that's not something for AfD - that's a content discussion. Though perhaps Draft is the best place, and as such AfD is the only remaining option (unless you change your mind - which I don't think will happen).
I'll sleep on it - and see what the morning papers have to say about all this. And ponder the interaction between WP:N and WP:CRYSTAL (which really is like trying to stick a square piece into a round hole). Thanks, Nfitz (talk) 05:24, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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do i need to use the editing language (the brackets) in my edits, or can i just write --Swansandcatsforever19 (talk) 10:46, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Hola cómo ago una cita --Pandilo bautista (talk) 21:08, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello How can I write articles and biography in wiki --Emmess Shaiju (talk) 15:18, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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