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[edit]- Wajdi al-Hajj Ali (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Per WP:BIO1E, this figure has only received coverage due to one event which he didn't have a significant role in, and likely wouldn't have been deemed notable enough to warrant a separate article (which is reflected in the article's rather small size and detail). Asclepias tuberosa (talk) 00:02, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete Although I am the creator, I am aware that it was only highlighted by conflicts. Farcazo (talk) 01:32, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete - This is a instance of WP:BLP1E, as nom said. There is no secondary coverage aside from this event about the subject, which means that there is no real reason to believe that this subject is notable enough to have their own separate article. WormEater13 (talk • contribs) 00:12, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nom
- - RamiPat (talk) 00:31, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete agree with nom — 🌊PacificDepths (talk) 06:50, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
- President of the Malaysian Islamic Party (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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No other Malaysian political party's leadership positions have dedicated article and the position of President of the Malaysian Islamic Party on its own is simply not notable enough to warrant one. Content of the article seems more suitable for the main Malaysian Islamic Party page if not already present.
Edit: Looking through the edit history and it appears the article was moved from the author's draft to the mainspacce by a since-banned sockpuppet. Article was previously submitted for creation and declined by User:DoubleGrazing for failing to meet notability guidelines.
Edit 2: I have struck the WP:OTHERSTUFFDOESNTEXIST portion of my AfD submission, kindly ignore that argument. Sisuvia (talk) 14:48, 29 April 2025 (UTC)
- That's wrong. There was an article about Malaysian political party's leadership positions which is President of the United Malays National Organisation and remained there since its creation since 15 June 2021. The main Malaysian Islamic Party page are too bloated and big (currently: 166,061 bytes) and the president need its own page. Hope that's help. Thegreatrebellion (talk) 08:05, 29 April 2025 (UTC)
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- Keep No concrete basis on the deletion nomination rather than one in a very hurry action. You can see an article about Malaysian political party's leadership positions here like the President of the United Malays National Organisation article. Thanks and have a nice day. Thegreatrebellion (talk) 11:54, 29 April 2025 (UTC)
- I concede that you're right about there being a dedicated article for another Malaysian political party's leadership position, that's my mistake. I will also be nominating that for deletion. As for the argument that the main article about the Malaysian Islamic Party is too bloated, the information you've included in the article nominated for deletion is mostly redundant and what I would support being migrated to Malaysian Islamic Party would take up no more than a few sentences, so I don't think that holds much water. Sisuvia (talk) 14:42, 29 April 2025 (UTC)
- Comment (responding to ping) Whether or not other articles exist on similar positions in other parties is immaterial; that is the classic WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS argument, which is a fallacy. This discussion should focus on whether this subject is notable enough to justify its own article. --DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:11, 29 April 2025 (UTC)
Keep: WP:OTHERSTUFFDOESNTEXIST isn't a deletion argument𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨 Abo Yemen (𓃵) 07:12, 30 April 2025 (UTC)- @Abo Yemen the article was submitted for creation and declined as it did not meet notability guidelines and my argument (beyond WP:OTHERSTUFFDOESNTEXIST) is that it still does not. Sisuvia (talk) 07:49, 30 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oh well then it should be Draftified 𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨 Abo Yemen (𓃵) 08:19, 30 April 2025 (UTC)
- Draftify, this is probably a notable topic (and other political parties may have similar notable positions), but I agree with the original AfC reviewer that this is not ready for mainspace. Most of it is unsourced, and even where there is a source, it's hard to see the connection to the text. For example, the Powers and duties section has one source, [1], which is a high-quality source. However, the content in the Wikipedia article doesn't seem related to the topic of that source. Müller 2014, p. 46 supports its second use, but not the first. In addition to sources, the topic seems ill defined, the Official seat and residence section seems to cover the current President's personal life rather than anything about the position, and the infobox provides as an official website the overall PAS website rather than anything directly related to the party President. I've tagged it for more sources, but this seems insufficient, and I'm not sure removing the unsourced/unsupported text is a better idea than giving time for sourcing. CMD (talk) 07:48, 30 April 2025 (UTC)
- Sultan Zauq Nadvi (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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This BLP article has been tagged for the use of unreliable sources since 2020. Wikipedia's strict standards for Biographies of Living Persons (BLP) require that all content be supported by reliable and verifiable sources. Upon review, I found that the article cites eight sources, six of which are entirely unreliable, including local book-selling websites, while another provides only a trivial mention. The article relies almost entirely on Nadvi, Jasim ad-Din (2019); however, no direct link is provided, and the reference appears to be from a user-generated website, which does not meet Wikipedia’s reliability standards. I considered removing the material cited from this user-generated source, but doing so would leave the article as little more than a one-line stub. Due to the lack of reliable, independent secondary sources, the subject fails to satisfy the notability guidelines outlined in WP:Scholar, WP:AUTHOR, and WP:GNG, and therefore, the article is not eligible for retention and should be deleted.–𝐎𝐰𝐚𝐢𝐬 𝐀𝐥 𝐐𝐚𝐫𝐧𝐢 ʕʘ̅͜ʘ̅ʔ 03:07, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People and Bangladesh. –𝐎𝐰𝐚𝐢𝐬 𝐀𝐥 𝐐𝐚𝐫𝐧𝐢 ʕʘ̅͜ʘ̅ʔ 03:07, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
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- Bangladesh Mosque Mission (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Is there really any need for a separate article just to write this little? It doesn’t meet the notability criteria at all. At most, it can be attached to Bangladesh Jamaat-e-Islami. Somajyoti ✉ 19:30, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
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- Keep - Yes, first of all, it is a registered NGO and relates to WP:Three, it has these patricular sources that you should check, or you can add sources to establish notability and search on the internet, why didn't you check or if you did check, atleast say so. Macarius Ibne Mito (talk), 7:28 AM, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
- And also, It's not "so little", please explain how large does the article have to be, I'll find the sources and add it. Macarius Ibne Mito (talk), 7:32 AM, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
- Comment Being "short" is not grounds for deletion. That is an argument to avoid in deletion discussions. If by "it can be attached" to Bangladesh Jamaat-e-Islami you mean it can be merged there, then why is it nominated for deletion? For anyone searching for sources, the more common name is probably "Bangladesh Masjid Mission". Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL. --Worldbruce (talk) 06:27, 29 April 2025 (UTC)
- Yes, Worldbruce's statement is correct, being short is not a reason for deletion, like if It's short, then why don't you expand the page? Macarius Ibne Mito (talk) 09:56, 29 April 2025 (UTC)
- Like how I first check and fix pages and search until deciding a different approach, You should try to first search or use a different approach. Macarius Ibne Mito (talk) 12:08, 29 April 2025 (UTC)
- It would be useful if you read WP:AfD and this page can definitely be improved, AfD is not always the solution, editing it and adding information may make it suitable to stay as a separate article on Wikipedia. Macarius Ibne Mito (talk) 12:09, 1 May 2025 (UTC)
- Sultan ul Arifeen Hazrat Syed Rakhyal Shah Sufi Al Qadri (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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I can find absolutely nothing about this individual on a WP:BEFORE search other than facebook posts and the like, and the article itself (along with being incredibly poorly written and overly long for no apparent reason) has absolutely zero sources. As such I don't believe this article meets WP:BIO. CoconutOctopus talk 14:33, 25 April 2025 (UTC)
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- Thank you for your comments. I would like to clarify that the article on **Sultan ul Arifeen Hazrat Syed Rakhyal Shah Sufi Al Qadri** is based on verifiable historical and spiritual references. The most comprehensive source is the book *Bahr-ul-Ishq*, authored and published in Balochistan with multiple editions in **1923**, 1952, 1968, 1995, 2001, 2005, and 2008 by Fateh Chand Kunya Lal. This book documents the life, teachings, and spiritual lineage of **Sultan ul Arifeen Hazrat Syed Rakhyal Shah Sufi Al Qadri** in detail.
- A digital version of the book is publicly available here: Bahr-ul-Ishq – Archive.org
- I believe this satisfies the requirement of WP:V and demonstrates notability as per WP:BIO. I respectfully request that this article not be deleted. This subject holds significant cultural and spiritual importance, and the article has been created to make this knowledge accessible to the public, including through search engines like Google. I am fully open to rewriting, restructuring, and improving the article to meet Wikipedia's standards. ATIF ALI JISKANI 2346 & (talk) 18:59, 29 April 2025 (UTC)
- Delete, nothing found from me either. Not sure this subject is verifiable Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 16:23, 25 April 2025 (UTC)
- The article would clearly need to be totally rewritten, and probably renamed, if kept, but there seem to be some sources here. Remember that South Asian names are often surrounded by honorifics and don't usually come with consistent spelling in a foreign alphabet. Phil Bridger (talk) 11:51, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you for your comments. I would like to clarify that the article on **Sultan ul Arifeen Hazrat Syed Rakhyal Shah Sufi Al Qadri** is based on verifiable historical and spiritual references. The most comprehensive source is the book *Bahr-ul-Ishq*, authored and published in Balochistan with multiple editions in **1923**, 1952, 1968, 1995, 2001, 2005, and 2008 by Fateh Chand Kunya Lal. This book documents the life, teachings, and spiritual lineage of **Sultan ul Arifeen Hazrat Syed Rakhyal Shah Sufi Al Qadri** in detail.
- A digital version of the book is publicly available here: Bahr-ul-Ishq – Archive.org
- I believe this satisfies the requirement of WP:V and demonstrates notability as per WP:BIO. I respectfully request that this article not be deleted. This subject holds significant cultural and spiritual importance, and the article has been created to make this knowledge accessible to the public, including through search engines like Google. I am fully open to rewriting, restructuring, and improving the article to meet Wikipedia's standards.
- --ATIF ALI JISKANI 2346 & (talk) 19:01, 29 April 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you for your comments. I would like to clarify that the article on **Sultan ul Arifeen Hazrat Syed Rakhyal Shah Sufi Al Qadri** is based on verifiable historical and spiritual references. The most comprehensive source is the book *Bahr-ul-Ishq*, authored and published in Balochistan with multiple editions in **1923**, 1952, 1968, 1995, 2001, 2005, and 2008 by Fateh Chand Kunya Lal. This book documents the life, teachings, and spiritual lineage of **Sultan ul Arifeen Hazrat Syed Rakhyal Shah Sufi Al Qadri** in detail.
- A digital version of the book is publicly available here: Bahr-ul-Ishq – Archive.org
- I believe this satisfies the requirement of WP:V and demonstrates notability as per WP:BIO. I respectfully request that this article not be deleted. This subject holds significant cultural and spiritual importance, and the article has been created to make this knowledge accessible to the public, including through search engines like Google. I am fully open to rewriting, restructuring, and improving the article to meet Wikipedia's standard ATIF ALI JISKANI 2346 & (talk) 18:59, 29 April 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you for your comments. I would like to clarify that the article on **Sultan ul Arifeen Hazrat Syed Rakhyal Shah Sufi Al Qadri** is based on verifiable historical and spiritual references. The most comprehensive source is the book *Bahr-ul-Ishq*, authored and published in Balochistan with multiple editions in **1923**, 1952, 1968, 1995, 2001, 2005, and 2008 by Fateh Chand Kunya Lal. This book documents the life, teachings, and spiritual lineage of **Sultan ul Arifeen Hazrat Syed Rakhyal Shah Sufi Al Qadri** in detail.
- A digital version of the book is publicly available here: Bahr-ul-Ishq – Archive.org
- I believe this satisfies the requirement of WP:V and demonstrates notability as per WP:BIO. I respectfully request that this article not be deleted. This subject holds significant cultural and spiritual importance, and the article has been created to make this knowledge accessible to the public, including through search engines like Google. I am fully open to rewriting, restructuring, and improving the article to meet Wikipedia's standards.
- --ATIF ALI JISKANI 2346 & (talk) 19:01, 29 April 2025 (UTC)
- I located a single reference to him here, but it is unclear if it meets BIO because of it. Article needs degaussing; it is currently a hagiography, and his name should be Rakhyal Shah. Bennett, Clinton; Ramsey, Charles M. (1 March 2012). South Asian Sufis: Devotion, Deviation, and Destiny. A&C Black. ISBN 978-1-4411-5127-8. Ogress 22:04, 29 April 2025 (UTC)
- There seem to be more sources with the spelling "Rakhial Shah" than with "Rakhyal Shah". Phil Bridger (talk) 22:35, 29 April 2025 (UTC)
- Correct Spell Sultan ul Arifeen Hazrat Syed Rakhyal Shah Sufi Al Qadri & this is not correct spell Rakhial Shah ATIF ALI JISKANI 2346 & (talk) 19:30, 30 April 2025 (UTC)
- Keep: I've now converted the article to a stub with hopefully reliable sources. ―Howard • 🌽33 13:55, 1 May 2025 (UTC)
- Tafsir Meshkat (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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I'm hesitant to mark this article for deletion, but the sources here feel insufficient to establish notability per WP:GNG, as well as WP:NSCHOLAR (for the work in question). In addition, a rudimentary check suggests an extremely high likelyhood the article was written by AI, and lastly, the dates of the citations violate WP:MOS, raising questions as to whether they were hallucinated. Allan Nonymous (talk) 22:49, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete - not a scholar in the usual sense; more of an independent, which we can't quantify or assess without significant coverage. Bearian (talk) 09:50, 21 April 2025 (UTC)
- Keep - I originally created this article 12 years ago. Back then, the size of the article was not much and so were the number of references. Per, 7-day deletion tag created about two weeks ago, I added more content and references. The sources (except for Hedaytoor website) are all independent of the author. That said, for most of Exegeses not written in English, the issues mentioned above exist. Take for example the following:
Tafsir al-Mazhari,Tazkirul Quran
Moreover, the references of this article went through a round of modification ever since this deletion nomination started. I did that to make sure they are all accessible online.Kazemita1 (talk) 16:08, 21 April 2025 (UTC)
- The arguments you have made here are largely WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, which aren't really good arguments in this case and do not address the concerns raised by User:Bearian. Allan Nonymous (talk) 18:51, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
- I don't think my arguments are "largely" WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. I mentioned finding several online-accessible sources in the last couple of weeks. I also mentioned that these sources are independent of the subject of the article. These are notability policies after all. As for what you call WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, I am bringing up a point about a big existing category in the English Wikipedia, i.e. Tafsir of Quran. I think I can expect to see the same standard being applied to all articles in that category. Kazemita1 (talk) 15:34, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nom,Insufficient coverage by independent, reliable secondary sources to pass WP:GNG.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 10:53, 24 April 2025 (UTC)
- Keep Deep Research by ChatGPT (in Farsi) produces an article with multiple sources: تفسیر مشکات. My conclusion it to keep it. However, as an existential question, if ChatGPT can create such a decent article on demand without referring to the Wikipedia articles, I guess we can argue that we don't need to have a Wikipedia article in the first place. Taha (talk) 16:55, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
- Here is the link for the English article by ChatGPT, though it has referenced enwiki material too. Also, please don't remind me of Wikipedia policies. I am aware of them. I try to use common sense. Taha (talk) 18:16, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
- "Research by ChatGPT" is virtually never a good argument for anything on wikipedia whatsoever. Allan Nonymous (talk) 19:18, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
- You might be surprised, but deep research produces really high quality articles. Also, it is more to the point than wiki articles. Disclaimer: AI is my research area and day job. Taha (talk) 07:57, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
- The AI draft is slop, the sources are untenable including using Wikipedia itself. By all means, continue using it in your day job, but not here please. Geschichte (talk) 09:56, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
- You might be surprised, but deep research produces really high quality articles. Also, it is more to the point than wiki articles. Disclaimer: AI is my research area and day job. Taha (talk) 07:57, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 23:51, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
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