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Swap National Pro Fastpitch  5 with Women's Professional Fastpitch

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I came across that the US professional women's softball league has changed organizations recently. I feel we should swap this with the new league, even though it was founded only two years ago. I don't think keeping the old one is necessary, even for history's sake. There could be grounds for removal as well, because we are over-quota in this section, so I'll open that up also for discussion.

Support swap
  1. as nom. Makkool (talk) 16:35, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Interstellarity (talk) 22:03, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose swap
  1. Women's Professional Fastpitch has only a single interwiki and I'm not sure it's ready for primetime. While I understand the impetus of having women's leagues, neither of the fastpitch leagues strike me as vital. pbp 21:45, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    If you think that neither are vital, could you support remove as well as oppose the swap? Makkool (talk) 16:24, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support remove
  1. pbp 01:08, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per above. Kevinishere15 (talk) 00:37, 19 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. I defer to pbp's judgment. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 18:24, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Per pbp. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:54, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Armed forces additions

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Add United States Marine Corps

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FAILED
Not added 3-2. Makkool (talk) 18:58, 19 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Famous and iconic branch of United States Armed Forces  5

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 18:26, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 20:42, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Interstellarity (talk) 01:54, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. We don't list any of the other branches...United States Army is more well known. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 18:47, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Weak oppose. If we were to list a branch of the U.S. Armed Forces, it would be the Marines. However, with the United States Armed Forces  5 only being at VA5, and the quota space being limited, I don't think a subarticle is warranted at this time. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:46, 12 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discussion
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Add French Armed Forces  5

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PASSED
Added 4-0 Lophotrochozoa (talk) 18:28, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Largest military by size in the European Union.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 18:26, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Decently large, and tons of historical importance. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:32, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Interstellarity (talk) 01:54, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. λ NegativeMP1 18:36, 19 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discussion
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Add French foreign legion

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A very famous branch of the French armed forces.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 18:26, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:12, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. per nom. Significant historically. Aurangzebra (talk) 02:11, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. To finish the vote. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 22:01, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Seems somewhat well-known, but we definitely don't need two articles for the French army. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:26, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discussion

Add Bundeswehr

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Germany's armed forces, the second largest military in the EU after France.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 18:26, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Not particularly large, and little to no historical importance, since it was only created in the 1950s. "Second-largest military in the EU" is not a good enough reason to list it IMO. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:37, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Agreed. Also recent news suggest it is becoming a shell of an army, ridiculous from the current geopolitical perspective, but it even more strongly implies it is not a significant entity. I don't see a point of auto-vitaling every major army - VAs are not checklists. This army is simply not vital. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:04, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. In my opinion two opposing votes should be enough to close as failed. It's absurd that a lack of support votes should count against closing as failed. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 22:35, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discussion

Swap Track spikes for Cleat (shoe)  5

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My conjecture is that American English speakers misplace vitality on Cleat (shoe)  5 because we call Football boot  5 Cleats. I did not realize that the article for Cleat (shoe) is not about a type of shoe until I tried to look at the two articles for merging. Track spikes are of similar importance to Football boot in my mind.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 11:03, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 11:03, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 23:21, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makes sense to me. QuicoleJR (talk) 02:05, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Virtual currency

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This belongs aside Digital currency  5-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:32, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:32, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss
  1. Meh. It's a subtype of digital currency, according to the article. Maybe if we can get digital currency to V4? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:04, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted Architectural elements

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The following listings are being relisted here with accrued date priority. They were previously listed at on the stem page by me. User:Zar2gar1 has noted that they are more suitable for this page. He had closed them out and signed in opposition based on the page with stated neutrality if listed here. His oppositions are thus removed on this page. Wikipedia:Vital_articles/Level/5/Technology#Architectural_elements included 16 Level 4 elements despite only having 21 level 5 (including these 16). I feel several of these should be level 5, given the list of level 4 elements: Arch  4, Ceiling  4, Column  4, Door  4, Elevator  4, Façade  4, Floor  4, Foundation (engineering)  4, Ladder  4, Lighting  4, Roof  4, Room  4, Stairs  4, Wall  4, and Window  4. Note that Chimney  5 passed immediately from this nomination and Fence  5, Moat  5, and Rain gutter  5 were later passed. These are more borderline nominations.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 00:08, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add Countertop

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FAILED
Not added 2-2 Lophotrochozoa (talk) 17:44, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Support
  1. as nom.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:31, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Pretty obvious. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 18:52, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Doesn't seem vital enough Makkool (talk) 11:12, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. I don't really think it's vital. --Moscow Connection (talk) 09:52, 21 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Window sill

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Support
  1. as nom.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:31, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Doesn't seem vital enough Makkool (talk) 11:12, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. I don't really think it's vital. --Moscow Connection (talk) 09:52, 21 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Two oppose votes should be enough to close as failed. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 16:59, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add Garage door

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Support
  1. as nom.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:31, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. We see this everywhere for the past few decades. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:19, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Pretty obvious. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 18:52, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Doesn't seem vital enough Makkool (talk) 11:12, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. I don't really think it's vital. --Moscow Connection (talk) 09:52, 21 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Would hope that the concept is well enough addressed at Garage (residential)  4 and Door  4. Though it is worth noting that many garage doors, particularly the ones with the automatic up and down, are constructed differently from most other doors. pbp 20:44, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add Shed

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Support
  1. as nom.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:31, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support  Carlwev  16:05, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Pretty obvious. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 18:52, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Kevinishere15 (talk) 05:02, 31 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Doesn't seem vital enough Makkool (talk) 11:12, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add Handrail

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Support
  1. as nom.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:34, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Important safety element, long history, ubiquitous. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:22, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Pretty obvious. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 18:52, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. These everyday things should be listed. Kevinishere15 (talk) 05:02, 31 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Doesn't seem vital enough Makkool (talk) 11:12, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. I don't really think it's vital. --Moscow Connection (talk) 09:52, 21 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Yes, I do understand these are very important in everyday life and we can't take the risk that someone gets hurt if we don't add them. /j But still, this article is not interesting to read, it is 99 percent numbers. And where do these numbers even come from? Certainly not from Third World countries where stairs are not as safe as in America. This article just reiterates some American regulations.
And, most importantly... "Guard rail  5" has already been added (just below), so what's the point of adding this one? --Moscow Connection (talk) 22:57, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add Guard rail

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PASSED
Added 4-2 Lophotrochozoa (talk) 19:07, 22 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Support
  1. as nom.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:34, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support  Carlwev  16:06, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Important safety element, long history, ubiquitous. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:22, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Pretty obvious. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 18:52, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Doesn't seem vital enough Makkool (talk) 11:12, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. I don't really think it's vital. --Moscow Connection (talk) 09:53, 21 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Molding (decorative)

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FAILED
Not added 2-2. Makkool (talk) 18:22, 13 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Belatedly moved here from the STEM subpage with approximate accrued date priority. It was nominated there by me. User:Zar2gar1 has noted he opposed there and would support here. Stated opposition has been moved to support in this relisting.

Support
  1. as nom.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:31, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support in Art or Architecture. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 02:32, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Doesn't seem vital enough Makkool (talk) 11:12, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Seems pretty niche. I'd rather go with Wall paint - which has no article? Huh. Tapestry  4 is enough probably (well, and someone should write about wall paint!). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:26, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Tower  4 topics

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The following listings are being relisted here with accrued date priority. They were previously listed at on the STEM page by me. User:Zar2gar1 and User:JpTheNotSoSuperior have both noted that they are more suitable for this page. Where they opposed with conditional support under architecture, their votes have been moved to support-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:02, 13 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

We list Tower  4 and the following are related.

Add Bell tower

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Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 01:49, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. support under Architecture. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 02:32, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. See the above comment. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 19:07, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Support  Carlwev  20:41, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discussion

Add Belfry

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Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 01:49, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. support under Architecture. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 02:32, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. See the above comment. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 19:07, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discussion

Add Spire

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Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 01:49, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. support under Architecture. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 02:32, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. See the above comment. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 19:07, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discussion

Add Steeple

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Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 01:49, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. support under Architecture. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 02:32, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. See the above comment. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 19:07, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discussion

Add Watchtower

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Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:23, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Weak support, the article isn't very meaty right now, but I guess this makes sense under Fortification  3, which we list here. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 22:19, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. See my comments above. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 19:07, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discussion

Add Guard tower and/or Guardhouse

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Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:23, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. weak support for Guardhouse in Architecture, even if people may not associate architecture with security buildings at first. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 22:19, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discussion
  1. Maybe the stubby Guard tower should be merged into Watchtower.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:27, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I agree completely, even if they typically have slightly different connotations. I'll add it to my big list of VA5 reorg ideas. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 22:19, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisting Adding rooms

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The following listings are being relisted here with accrued date priority. They were previously listed at on the stem page by me Because rooms are listed at Wikipedia:Vital_articles/Level/5/Technology#Rooms_and_spaces . User:Zar2gar1 has noted that they are more suitable for this page. He had closed them out and signed in opposition based on the page with stated neutrality if listed here. His oppositions are thus removed on this page.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 00:27, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add Family room

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Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:02, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Not different enough from living room Makkool (talk) 19:35, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The article tries to explain it but I am not convinced they are separate. Living room  5 is indeed enough here. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:27, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Only six interwikis. Obviously, no one will even understand what it means when he sees this in the "list of recommended articles". (I'm talking about languages other than English.) --Moscow Connection (talk) 09:59, 21 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add Den (room)

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FAILED
Not added 1-3. Makkool (talk) 18:19, 13 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:02, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Stub and 1 interwiki Makkool (talk) 19:35, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. This may just be an English language term; in any case, there's not much to distinguish it from other kinds of rooms. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 22:22, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Oppose - a stub and in one other language - not really a room, but a use of a room - a kids bedroom may be a den? or a study could be which is also included.  Carlwev  22:34, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Syrian literature

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A GA, covering the history of Syrian literature as a national subgenre of Arabic literature. It covers the definition and beginnings of this literature up to works of the 21st-century, including a host of works reflecting exile, war and imprisonment of the latest period in Syria's history. - If necessary, we could swap it for Sumerian literature , that is VA-5, but obviously not as relevant for the present.

Support
  1. as nom-Munfarid1 (talk) 15:32, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Seems vital enough. QuicoleJR (talk) 21:30, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. I feel we already have enough articles on national literatures. Maybe as a swap I could support this. Makkool (talk) 19:24, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discussion

More room adds and removals

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I had At Home: A Short History of Private Life lying around, and there were more omissions in the Rooms and spaces section I noticed. Some clear removals as well to balance the adds. Makkool (talk) 19:35, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Drawing room

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Not added, 1-2 pbp 16:18, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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A room for entertaining guests, the historical precursor to the living room. A part of large houses for several centuries. Rated High-Importance in Wikiproject Home living.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 19:35, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Oppose here, but neutral if moved to Everyday Life. I had to think about it more, and while there is craft knowledge behind this, the primary justification is its every-day-ness. So it should really be ranked against Everyday Life articles, especially when Tech is so bloated. Actually, Everyday Life may be a better place for all specific rooms (they're defined by use patterns, not necessarily technical design). -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 16:35, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Isn't this the same thing and the "Living room  5"?
Neutral
Discussion
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Add Great hall

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Not added, 1-2 pbp 16:18, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The main room in a royal palace or large manor house. I don't feel as strongly for this, because we already have Hall  5, but on the other hand, the great hall would be a major space to list for historical homes.

Support
  1. Weak support as nom. Makkool (talk) 19:35, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Oppose here, but neutral if moved to Everyday Life. I had to think about it more, and while there is craft knowledge behind this, the primary justification is its every-day-ness. So it should really be ranked against Everyday Life articles, especially when Tech is so bloated. Actually, Everyday Life may be a better place for all specific rooms (they're defined by use patterns, not necessarily technical design). -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 16:35, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Doesn't seem essential. --Moscow Connection (talk) 10:01, 21 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discussion
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Add Nursery (room)

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An important room also in modern apartments.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 19:35, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Sure. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 19:08, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Oppose here, but neutral if moved to Everyday Life. I had to think about it more, and while there is craft knowledge behind this, the primary justification is its every-day-ness. So it should really be ranked against Everyday Life articles, especially when Tech is so bloated. Actually, Everyday Life may be a better place for all specific rooms (they're defined by use patterns, not necessarily technical design). -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 16:35, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discussion

Remove Lobby (room)

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PASSED
Removed 4-0. PrimalMustelid (talk) 12:37, 9 March 2025 (UTC) PrimalMustelid (talk) 12:37, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Not as important as the rest. I would list Vestibule (architecture) instead, but not suggesting a swap for now.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 19:35, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support, and even if we kept it, it should probably be ranked against Everyday Life articles, especially when Tech is so bloated. Actually, Everyday Life may be a better place for all specific rooms (they're defined by use patterns, not necessarily technical design). -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 16:35, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 06:52, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. PrimalMustelid (talk) 12:36, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove Sunroom

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Removed 4-0. PrimalMustelid (talk) 12:38, 9 March 2025 (UTC) PrimalMustelid (talk) 12:38, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Not as important as the rest. It's also called a solarium, but it's not the same as indoor tanning (which isn't listed yet by the way)

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 19:35, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. We list Greenhouse  5 already, which sums up most of the unique technical features. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 16:35, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 06:52, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 16:42, 5 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Adds for Wikipedia:Vital_articles/Level/5/Everyday_life#Hairstyle

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I want to take a closer look at this section.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:46, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Braid (hairstyle)

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Added 4–0. Makkool (talk) 20:10, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Formerly, Braid  5 was listed in hairstyle. Wikipedia_talk:Vital_articles/Level/5/Archive_20#Potentially_incorrect_link left open the possibility to nominate this separately.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:46, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:46, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Arguably this should have been listed all along Makkool (talk) 12:54, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:10, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Pretty obvious. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 18:54, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Cornrows

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Added 4–0. Makkool (talk) 20:10, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The cornrows that I see on some heads during NBA playoff time are incredible fashion statements and true artwork. They surely belong aside Dreadlocks  5

Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:46, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:10, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. A hairstyle that has existed for so long and has so much written about it definitely seems vital. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 22:23, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 19:24, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
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Add Bangs (hair)

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Added 4–0. Makkool (talk) 20:10, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:46, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. λ NegativeMP1 06:22, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:10, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 18:54, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 19:24, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
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Add Mohawk hairstyle

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Added 4–0. Makkool (talk) 20:10, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:46, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:10, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Incredibly iconic hairstyle. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 18:54, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 19:24, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
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Add Regular haircut

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Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:46, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:10, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 19:24, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. oppose I'm surprised this is even an article.  Carlwev  23:11, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    It sorta makes sense once you figure out what it is. pbp 13:50, 20 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discussion

Add Long hair

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Added 4–0. Makkool (talk) 20:10, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:46, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Basic concepts like this, part of everyday speech, are vital (as long as they can be defined and are encyclopedic - notable). Since this has an article, support - more so than more niche terms for individual hair styles. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:29, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per above. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 18:54, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 19:24, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
  1. I'm not sure if long and short hair are vital compared to specific styles. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:10, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Short hair

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Added 4–0. Makkool (talk) 20:10, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:46, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Basic concepts like this, part of everyday speech, are vital (as long as they can be defined and are encyclopedic - notable). Since this has an article, support - more so than more niche terms for individual hair styles. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:29, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per above. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 18:54, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 19:24, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
  1. I'm not sure if long and short hair are vital compared to specific styles. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:10, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Discussion

Short hair has a single interwiki. Long hair has 26. pbp 21:39, 13 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Add Bob cut

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Added 4–0. Makkool (talk) 20:10, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:46, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:10, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Significant part of cultural history. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 22:24, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 19:24, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add some temporary storage items

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The list was going to be longer, but I'll stop at these two.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:14, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Baggage

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Added 5-0 Lophotrochozoa (talk) 23:10, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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I know this topic as luggage.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:14, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:14, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. agree with nom, first time I have heard of "luggage" not being called that. Sahaib (talk) 09:20, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Luggage redirects there. Vital concept, of course. V4, perhaps? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:30, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Obviously. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 18:55, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 19:24, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
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Add Briefcase

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Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:14, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Obviously. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 18:55, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 19:24, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discussion

Add Garter

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I think this belongs at Wikipedia:Vital_articles/Level/5/Everyday_life#Accessories.

Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:52, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 19:24, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discussion

Various security items

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The following listings are being relisted here with accrued date priority. They were previously listed at on the stem page by me. User:Zar2gar1 has suggested relising as Everyday life nominations and has closed them out and signed in opposition based on the page with stated neutrality if listed here. Those stated oppositions are thus removed on this page.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:28, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add Post office box

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Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 13:04, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Seems vital enough. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:54, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Maybe a bit less now than in the 20th century, but still V5 level concept. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:32, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Oppose. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 05:31, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Post box should be added before this Makkool (talk) 19:24, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add Safe deposit box

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Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 13:04, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Seems vital enough. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:52, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Oppose. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 05:31, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 19:24, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add Elfquest to Arts -> Comics

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I'm moving this here from the main Lv5 page for the nominator. I've included the original thread as a subtopic. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 14:03, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. Explicit vote for nom. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 14:03, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. I think the concept of a comic can be understood by... just the article for a Comic book  4. I'm just not convinced about the vitality of this one. Article doesn't do it much favors, either. λ NegativeMP1 18:26, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Significant comic book to indie publishing and storytelling-wise, but still more of a cult classic than an example of most vital comics of all time Makkool (talk) 19:08, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
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Turn Elfquest into a Level-5 Vital Article in the comics subcategory of the Arts category

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I think Elfquest is critical to understanding comics. Many comics owe much to it. I also think it should be placed in the Comic books and graphic novels section. 45.224.134.194 (talk) 10:58, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there, and welcome to WP:VA5. Just to give you a heads-up, because of the list size at Level 5, we handle nominations for specific articles on categorized sub-pages.
Artistic works are currently managed under the "Society" subpage so I'll move this proposal there. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 13:59, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Zar2gar1 (talk) 14:03, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Conservation and restoration of cultural property

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Seems on par with Ecological restoration  5.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:10, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:10, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. I had this on my mind as an addition proposal but forgot.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 16:20, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 19:24, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
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Add University of Texas System

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Although we are trying to trim Universities and University systems, this one is up there among the elites. Maybe we can trim California's entries from 3 (Claremont Colleges, University of California  5 and California State University) to 1 and add this one.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:29, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:29, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support swapping this with at least one other University. Would suggest Texas A&M University in addition to Claremont Colleges, University of California  5 and California State University
  3. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 19:24, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose


Neutral
Discussion

I would support a swap with this and University of Texas at Austin  5. I would also like to see Texas A&M University taken down as well as the ones you mention, but a clean swap with UT Austin and the UT system seems logical. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 05:19, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Why does University of California  5 get University of California, Berkeley  4 and University of California, Los Angeles  5 and University of Texas System gets no children?-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 08:19, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I can support -A&M-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 08:29, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You're asking the wrong person, I think Universities are over represented. You can look up above and see I nominated many for removal. If you want to try to nominate taking the California ones down, I'd support it. I don't consider college sports (or sports in general) vital, and think that the United States should probably be limited to 20 or fewer schools/University systems based exclusively on how internationally recognizable they are for academics/research. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 19:28, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Other arts institutions

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If we could get rid of half of the pedestrian colleges and broaden the types of institutions that we list, that would be great.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 07:53, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add Las Ventas

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Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 07:53, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discussion

Add Teatro Real

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Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 07:53, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discussion

Add La Scala

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Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 07:53, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support. --Moscow Connection (talk) 09:29, 21 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support. --Thi (talk) 07:54, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discussion

Add La Fenice

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Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 07:53, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discussion

Add The Culinary Institute of America

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Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 07:53, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discussion

Add Le Cordon Bleu

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Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 07:53, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 02:24, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 19:24, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discussion

Add Bolshoi Ballet

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Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 07:53, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Iostn (talk) 20:56, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 19:24, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Okay, but the Bolshoi Theatre would be a better addition. (Can be switched later.) --Moscow Connection (talk) 10:07, 21 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discussion

Add School of American Ballet

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Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 07:53, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discussion

Add American Ballet Theatre

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Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 07:53, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discussion

Add Paris Opera Ballet

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Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 07:53, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 02:24, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 19:24, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discussion

Add The Royal Ballet

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Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 07:53, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 02:24, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 19:24, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discussion
  1. I nominated several colleges/universities to be removed a while back (I think this might still be open for some of them), and definitly support the removal of more. I encourage you to nominate "pedestrian colleges" for removal, I'd likely support that out of hand as I suspect some of these might be included because people associated with the schools pushed a bit. That said, I don't actually know about most of these, which is my ignorance, not to say they AREN'T vital, so would need some brief rational to vote one way or the other. I voted on the ones I've heard of personally. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 02:24, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add James Beard Foundation Award

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Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 08:56, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Makkool (talk) 19:24, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discussion
  1. Rationale please? From all I'm interpreting right now, it appears to just be a regular culinary award. And I'm not sure how truly important it is given it only has two interwikis. λ NegativeMP1 09:06, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    1. Twenty years ago, restaurant goers use to discuss Zagat to compare venues. Now, people refer to Michelin Guide  5 and Beard Awards. I was just going by feel. I understand 2 interwikis is very low.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:11, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add Self-governance

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A form of government without foreign interference.

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 02:27, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Iostn (talk) 20:56, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Obviously. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 18:56, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 19:24, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add Something (concept)

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Another related concept related to Everything and Nothing.

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 01:44, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. This might be approaching dictionary levels, but honestly I think that something is more vital then a lot of the stuff we include so sure. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 02:19, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Sure. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 18:57, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 19:24, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add Fake news

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A problem that has plagued journalism for decades, much more prevalent in recent years.

Support
  1. As nom. SameOldSameOldSameOld (talk) 02:28, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Very important. Sure, we have some similar concept listed - so what? They have stand-alone notability and they are all vital. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:39, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Pretty basic concept. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 18:57, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. I'm wondering, if there is too much overlap with Misinformation  5, Disinformation  5, Propaganda  4 and Hoax  5, which we already have on the list. The Culture section where this would go is a lot over-quota. Makkool (talk) 07:48, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Oppose per above. I'd prefer to see Infodemic added before Fake news as well. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 05:08, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Add Right to health

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Human right recognized by the Universal Declaration of Human Rights  4, International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights  4, and the Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities. Several other human rights, such as Freedom of assembly  5, are level 5.

Support
  1. As nom Mathwriter2718 (talk) 04:19, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Weak support. Not one of the most important ones, but we have room. QuicoleJR (talk) 16:58, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 19:24, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Swap Wannabe with Con te partirò

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Non-English songs are a bit underrepresented. Con te partirò gets more pageviews than Wannabe and has the same number of language links (25). Con te partirò or "Time to Say Goodbye" is one of the best-selling singles of all time (as well as in France and in Germany), the song has been covered and sampled a lot more (such as this Jason Derulo and David Guetta song) and has featured in more media (such as recently Squid Game). Wannabe does not have as big of a legacy, Like a Virgin (song), another female empowerment song is already listed.

Support
  1. As nominator. Sahaib (talk) 08:33, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support remove, oppose add Makkool (talk) 19:24, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support add per nom, it seems vital enough and Arts deserves more slots. Weak oppose remove, Wannabe seems like an important female empowerment song and is the best-selling single by a girl group of all time. QuicoleJR (talk) 02:13, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Remove bowl cut

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Looking at Category:Hairstyles and Template:Human hair. There are over 100 article to pick from. I am not sure bowl cut is among the most vital, standing out from the others, I would think it stands out as one of the least vital. Just picking articles at random missing articles concerning hair things are Braid (hairstyle), bob cut, perm (hairstyle), hair gel. And most notably pubic hair. All of which seem more vital than bowl cut. I may suggest pubic hair under biology as well kind of swap for this one.

Support
  1. As nom.  Carlwev  08:47, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 19:24, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Remove Quiff

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Not vital, same argument as bowl cut above. start class in 8 other languages. Would consider swapping with hair gel or hair spray. Maybe.

Support
  1. As nom.  Carlwev  09:19, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. I think this style had a moment more than a generation ago. Not vital.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 11:30, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 19:24, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose

Add Person and Personhood

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Maybe place somewhere in Wikipedia:Vital_articles/Level/5/Philosophy_and_religion#Philosophy, but they are fundamental topics here.

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 00:43, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Strong support for at least one of them. Neutral on whether we need both. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:42, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Strong support for person, neutral for personhood. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 18:58, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Support for person Makkool (talk) 19:24, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Comments

Add Special Olympics World Games

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Per above discussion, the Olympics are getting unwieldy and I proposed removing the articles for the specific Summer or Winter games. Looking into it, I saw we are missing the Special Olympics World Games. We have Paralympic Games  4, which is a distinct thing operated by the International Paralympic Committee, while the Special Olympics are operated by an organization recognized by the IOC. I think if we remove most or all of the individual games, adding this shouldn't be much of an issue.

Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 04:31, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. λ NegativeMP1 04:38, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support, but ONLY if Special Olympics gets added as well. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 18:58, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Support Special Olympics ahead of this Makkool (talk) 19:24, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discuss

GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 04:31, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add Gwion Gwion rock paintings

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These paintings are one of two major regional traditions of rock art found in the north-west Kimberley region of Western Australia. They have been estimated to be approximately 12,000 years old, although there is debate on the date. I think this can round out our art and archeology a bit.

Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 04:34, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 13:37, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 04:34, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add Orpheus

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Famous character of Greek mythology, who went to retrieve his wife Eurydice from Hades. Described in the article as "one of the most significant figures in the reception of classical mythology in Western culture". The myth is taught in school as part of Literature classes in many countries.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 13:35, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Iostn (talk) 23:57, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support. --Thi (talk) 07:54, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Used to be VA4, demoted before VA5's existence.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 09:30, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Swap Notary public for Civil law notary  5

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I have not had personal experience with a Civil law notary. I don't know if they have them in the US. The Notary public is the everyday term of import in my experience.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:28, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:28, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Obvious swap. 16 interwikis vs 1 .--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:47, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 19:24, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discussion

Swap Fives  5 for Jeu de paume

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Fives is a rather obscure variant of handball/tennis/jeu de paume. Jeu de paume is the older sport, is an original rather than a derivative, was once contested in the Olympics, and trounces fives in interwikis, 31-4. pbp 21:52, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. pbp 21:52, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 21:35, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 13:03, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion

Remove The floor is lava  5, possible swap for Imaginary friend

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This is a game that a lot of kids play but it hasn't been entrenched in culture as much as the other inclusions on this list. It is not even a well-defined 'game' as there is typically no concrete objective, it's just a thing some kids do. It is also a fairly recent game as it seems to have originated in the 1930s with the introduction of living rooms populated with furniture. I assume it was added because it was a somewhat popular meme a few years back and there was a Netflix show with the same name but the game's popularity was short-lived after that [1]. Hard to justify having this when we don't have more established games like Simon Says. I would rather have Imaginary friend which is dually notable in child's play and developmental psychology. High-Importance in Wikiproject Psychology and more average pageviews than The floor is lava even factoring in the spikes from the release of the Netflix show.

Support
  1. As nom Aurangzebra (talk) 01:48, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support add Imaginary friend, perhaps with another swap. 19:11, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
  3. Support remove Makkool (talk) 13:03, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Oppose remove the floor is lava. I have seen kids from three different cultures play this game, at different times, wouldn't be where I'd start cuts. The concrete objective is to be the last one who doesn't touch the lava, at least in my experience as a player/observer of the game. Sometimes, you become a lava monster and the objective is to make everyone else lava monsters. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 19:11, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Oppose swap with imaginary friend, could perhaps support another swap Makkool (talk) 13:03, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discuss

Add Tub (container)

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Nominated based on feedback at "Add Tupperware or Tupperware Brands" from User:Zar2gar1 and User:Mathwriter2718.

Support
  1. as nom. -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:06, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support in Wikipedia:Vital_articles/Level/5/Everyday_life#Food_storage_&_disposables Makkool (talk) 20:10, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Seems fine to me. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 19:00, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Oppose straight add without a proposed swap. It seems to me that we list quite many containers and Technology is getting over-quota. Makkool (talk) 19:29, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    User:Makkool, can you revisit this here?-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:00, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discuss

TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:06, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Propose Add Journeyman, On-the-job training. Propose several removals to make room for them

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I have two adds I think should be fairly uncontroversial and have found four possible removals. I would like to see all of these removed in addition to these two adds, but would be happy if it at least serves as a swap.

Add Journeyman

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We include Apprenticeship  5 and Guild  4, I think Journeyman should be included.

Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 03:08, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 19:24, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makes sense. Historical but important at this level. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:31, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Add On-the-job training

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Fairly self explanatory, but important when discussing education and employment.

Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 03:08, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 19:24, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Remove Double-entry bookkeeping  5

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We include Bookkeeping  5 I don't think we need this as well.

Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 03:08, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Bookkeeping is only level 5, if level 4 then I would keep it Makkool (talk) 19:24, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Important economic concept. I'd add this and push bookkeeping to V4. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:25, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Oppose. --Thi (talk) 07:55, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discuss

Remove Supply chain management  5

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We include Supply chain  5 and Logistics  4, I don't think we need this as well.

Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 03:08, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 19:24, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Remove I Love New York

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PASSED
Removed 5-1. Makkool (talk) 13:12, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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We include a lot of content related to New York (state)  4, New York City  3, including various boroughs like The Bronx  5. I love New York is the Only article under Marketing  3, I think New York has enough representation, and this marketing campaign isn't vital.

Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 03:08, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. It was added last year 3-2, which was enough back then, but now wouldn't pass with that vote count. Makkool (talk) 17:33, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. λ NegativeMP1 18:25, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Support  Carlwev  19:04, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  5. pbp 19:15, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. I see I heart clothing worn everywhere. It all derives from this.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 18:02, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discuss
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Remove Blue Origin  5

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We list 7 aerospace companies, of which 5 are based in the United States. Pageviews of the five show that over the past year, Blue Origin has averaged less then the others on the list (I included Virgin Galactic in the views to see how it compared). I think we can trim Blue Origin.

Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 03:08, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support  Carlwev  19:06, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 19:24, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss
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GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 03:08, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Swap: Add Tang poetry, remove Complete Tang Poems  5

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The former is a broader subject and gets more pageviews, ~50 vs ~15 daily. The latter is just a specific compilation, and a very imperfect one at that according to its article. Rather straightforward swap due to overlap. Can be added to WP:Vital articles/Level/5/Arts#Poetic works of the medieval era I think.

Support
  1. As nom.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 11:59, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. It's a significant work of poetry, oppose swap with the broader article
Discuss

If this fails I'm planning a swap proposal with either Three Hundred Tang Poems or even possibly Quiet Night Thought, both of which have better pageview & interwiki counts and vitality claims.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 16:54, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Move Palme d'Or  5 under Cannes Film Festival  4

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I wonder why the award is listed separately from the main event even though it is the major prize of the festival.

Support
  1. As nom. CrisBalboa1 (talk) 17:02, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss
  1. I vote to remove it. We don't list Academy Award for Best Picture or BAFTA Award for Best Film, which are far more important awards. I don't think any specific category at a festival or award show is vital.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:33, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I would also vote to remove it. Idiosincrático (talk) 17:12, 4 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support remove Makkool (talk) 19:24, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You know what, as nominator, I change my position, since all of you decided for it, I will join your support for removal. CrisBalboa1 (talk) 19:43, 19 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add Government debt

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An essential part of the modern economic system, fits under Debt  4. Currently rated as High-importance by WikiProject Finance & Investment and WikiProject Politics; available in 56 Wikipedias.

Support
  1. As nominator. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 21:59, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support  Carlwev  22:31, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 19:24, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Important in modern economy and politics. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:33, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Zadok the Priest, Remove Solomon (Handel)

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PARTIAL PASS
Solomon removed 5-0
Zadok the Priest not added 3-2
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Hopefully a very straightforward proposal since this is a 1-for-1 artist work swap. Could go in either Baroque music or anthems. This coronation piece has been sang at every single British coronation since its composition. It is one of George Frideric Handel  4's best-known works and better known than Solomon as it is an unofficial anthem for the UK at this point. 24 interwikis vs 12 interwikis. It is also the basis for the UEFA Champions League Anthem (30 interwikis), which is probably the most iconic official sports anthem ever (not as popular in the US). As a side note, Handel at VA4 probably deserves more works at VA5 than the 2 he currently has but I don't think I'd place Solomon in even the top 3 of his most important works - that distinction probably goes to Music for the Royal Fireworks (23 interwikis). I might propose that at some point in the future if the arts quota increase discussion passes. Aurangzebra (talk) 22:09, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom. Aurangzebra (talk) 22:12, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support removal, oppose addition. Niche pieces of classical music; nothing in the article suggest they were or are iconic. Claims made by the nom are not present in the article about the suggested addition. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 13:32, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Besides my side note at the end which is my opinion, literally every single claim I made here is in the article. If you haven't heard of this piece, say that but calling it a niche piece of classical music is objectively wrong. It's an unofficial British anthem (yes, this is stated in the article) so almost everyone in the Anglophone world knows it. And it gets more daily pageviews than even VA4 pieces of music such as the Brandenburg Concertos  4. Aurangzebra (talk) 17:57, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support both per nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 12:40, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Support remove, oppose add Makkool (talk) 19:24, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Support both per nom; George Frideric Handel  4 is big enough that I'm not opposing addition, and Zadok is indeed one of the most-viewed in Category:Compositions by George Frideric Handel.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 09:00, 21 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Hey @Makkool:, sorry I should have clarified here but I would only support a swap (or an add). I don't support just a removal so this is technically at best 3-1 (we also don't know what Quicole's preference is). Will leave open for a few more days in case anyone last second wants to jump in; otherwise, I will close this as both fail. Aurangzebra (talk) 18:36, 19 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Remove Residual media

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This doesn't seem particularly important as a separate topic.

Support
  1. As nominator. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 19:02, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support, many important old media are included themselves, we don't need the article which tells us they are old, in hardly any other languages and a stub, not vital at all.  Carlwev  23:57, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 19:24, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Old media  5 should be enough to cover this, which is too niche at ~3 daily pageviews and 1 interwiki.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 08:34, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion

Add Intentional community

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As far as I can tell, there isn't yet a vital article covering the topic of people who choose to live together and often share their property. Utopian socialism could be an alternative.

Support
  1. As nominator. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 19:28, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Doesn't seem to me like a vital concept Makkool (talk) 19:24, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comments

Remove Tax noncompliance or Tax avoidance

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PASSED
Tax noncompliance removed 4–0. Makkool (talk) 06:23, 23 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Politics and economics is over quota and these seem rather duplicative.

Support
  1. As nominator. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 19:38, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support - remove tax noncompliance see below -  Carlwev  16:55, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support remove tax noncompliance Makkool (talk) 19:24, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Remove tax noncompliance per below. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:44, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Comments
  1. We also have Tax evasion  5, it seems that the tax evasion article is specifically about illegal ways of avoiding taxes, tax avoidance is about legal ways of doing it, and noncompliance is about both combined. Kevinishere15 (talk) 09:30, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Looking at the articles, and thinking logically. Non-compliance is paying less tax than the leaders would like you to. Avoidance is doing it legally, Evasion is doing it illegally. So evasion and avoidance are two kinds of non-compliance. It makes sense that if we want to trim one it should be non compliance. It shouldn't be the overview article and the one on illegal method, but leaving off the legal method. If we list the articles on the legal and illegal methods of paying less tax the overview which covers both is not needed. Also...evasion is in 46 languages, avoidance in 30, but non-compliance only 6, and page views wise, [2] since 2015, evasion has just over 2 million views, avoidance just under 1M, and non-compliance less than one sixth of that at 158K. So in short..remove non-compliance.  Carlwev  16:55, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Remove Cigar bar

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Under Bar_(establishment) (which is level 4), we list Pub, Wine bar, Tavern and Cigar bar. Cigar itself is only level 5, why we would list bars dedicated to cigars, Category:Types_of_drinking_establishment lists over 30 types of drinking establishment, I don't know why cigar bars are more important than all the others here?

Support
  1. As nom.  Carlwev  17:31, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 18:07, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 19:24, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Per nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 02:20, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion

Remove Fast casual restaurant

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Restaurant is level 4, under it level 5 is Types of restaurant, Fast-food restaurant, Food court and Fast casual restaurant. I've never heard this term despite working in a restaurant. US-centric. In 12 other languages. Start class, has two line on history, than half the article is a dictionary definition, then the other half a list of examples. If we want to list eating establishments individual companies would be better (like Burger King aparently 18000 locations in 100 nations. - if Mc D is level 4). ... Types of restaurant and Category:Restaurants by type lists over 40 types of eatery, why this one is more vital than all of those, like Pizzeria.

Support
  1. As nom.  Carlwev  17:31, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Carl makes a good case for a lack of vitality pbp 00:30, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 19:24, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion

Add Sports fandom

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A new article I wrote recently that was missing but I think is of V5 importance (at least). I wonder if one of both of Fan (person)  5, Fandom  5 shouldn't go to V4... --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:38, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:38, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. I actually considered this as an alternative when I saw Jock (stereotype) before it was removed, but then I noticed there wasn't an article on it, definitely a major and long-lasting phenomenon. Iostn (talk) 13:20, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per below. We already list other fandoms. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 19:01, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Oppose. I don't think the fandoms are something we should start adding in general. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 04:38, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Wea already list Anime and manga fandom  5, Furry fandom  5, Science fiction fandom  5 and formerly fantasy fandom which was removed. Iostn (talk) 13:20, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed. That pretty much invalidates the argument above. And sports fandom is arguably the most important fandom (most widely practiced). Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:23, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Per above Makkool (talk) 19:24, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Discussion

Language variants (set 2)

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Add West African Pidgin English

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The proposal to add African French made me to think this. West African Pidgin English has 75 million speakers over several countries. BBC World Service has broadcasted news on this language since 2017.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 18:17, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion

Add Peninsular Spanish

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The European form of Spanish. We currently list only 2 variants of Spanish (compared to 4 variants of French), when Spanish is the second most spoken native language in the world.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 18:17, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion

Add Rioplatense Spanish

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The form of Spanish spoken in Argentina and Uruguay. The same justification as for Peninsular Spanish, we list only 2 variants of Spanish when French gets 4.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 18:17, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion

Add Franchising

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PASSED
Added 4-0 Lophotrochozoa (talk) 15:03, 25 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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An argument could be made for level 4 for franchising. Aparently there may be over 2 million franchises world wide bringing in over 2 trillion dollars annually. In the USA alone 8.7 million people are thought to work for a franchise. The article appears in 66 other languages and averages over 800 daily page views. It is at least level 5 vital. [3]

Support
  1. Support as nom.  Carlwev  19:49, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 07:22, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Sahaib (talk) 09:44, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 08:23, 8 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion

PrimalMustelid tried to close the discussion prematurely. I'm not going to edit war over most of the discussions that PrimalMustelid closed, but they added this article to Arts, which is clearly wrong for the topic of the article; presumably they mistook the topic for a different meaning of "franchise". The right place for this topic is Business, probably Business types. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 16:11, 10 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Add Old-time music

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In this proposal where I suggest the removal of Uncle Dave Macon and mentioned that we could remove a lot of Country music  4 musicians, an IP showed concerns about any possible gaps in the coverage of early recorded music if we decide to remove older acts for this list, particularly concerned about representation of Old-time music. I personally don't see the concerns that much, as I don't think figures with so few interwikis could possibly be truly influential to music history on a global scale, but it did have me thinking about the genre itself, which serves as a precursor to Country. Personally, for those historical reasons, I would rather list the genre of old-time music rather than a lot of random Country or old-time musicians people that are obscure on a global scale. I definitely wouldn't support adding this on my own accord, since old-time music itself is also only really a thing in the United States, but in the context of this scenario, listing the genre in exchange for clearing out the list of our bloated country musicians list seems like a fair trad; I'd rather have one Ameri-centric genre listing over 10-15 Ameri-centric musician listings. Also, this can be revisited after we actually clear out country music musicians, which it shouldn't be long before I make those proposals.

Support
  1. Weak support as nom. λ NegativeMP1 23:07, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Generally, genres and other general concepts I think should listed before the related specific people and creative works since I believe it leads to a more stable list; this does not seem like an exception.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 10:25, 5 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. There is no article called "North American folk music" Makkool (talk) 08:23, 8 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral

Move Handkerchief

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Handkerchief  5 is listed as headgear because a handkerchief resembles a Kerchief  5, but handkerchiefs are not headgear, they are accessories or hygiene products. Thus I would like to move it.

Move to accessories
  1. As nom. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 22:13, 6 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 08:23, 8 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Move to hygiene products
Oppose
Neutral
Discussion

Lophotrochozoa (talk) 22:13, 6 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Organizational changes to Sports

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Remove International cricket  5

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I don't know much at all about cricket, but to me this article seems to be about the game of cricket that's codified and governed by International Cricket Council. I think it's enough we list the general listing Cricket  4 and also keep the three forms or formats of international cricket that we have: Test cricket  5, One Day International  5 and Twenty20 International  5. This way we could get away with one level of indented numbering and the last level of indentation wouldn't look so squished on the page.

There's also that we don't list any competing cricket codes to international cricket, like with rugby we have rugby league and rugby union. So that would be another reason I'd rather remove this than keep.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 07:53, 8 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Sensible. J947 ‡ edits 21:21, 8 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discussion

Remove Gaelic games  5

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This article is about games popular in Ireland or originated from there. It's an umbrella term to Gaelic football  5, Hurling  5 and Camogie  5. If we would remove this, we could move gaelic football under football, where it would belong better. Camogie is women's hurling, so it would make more sense to list in under hurling. Gaelic games wouldn't then have anything else under it, so it would be unnecessary to have it anymore. Especially because I don't think we have any other country related team sports articles besides it.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 07:53, 8 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discussion

Add Futsal

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Futsal is indoor association football, or soccer. It's a popular enough sport compared to other team sports that we list as vital. It would be fit well alongside all the other types of football that we list.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 07:53, 8 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Sure. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 19:03, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. 100%. It's arguably the easiest version of soccer to play as well (all you need is a hard surface and goals) which might make it one of the most-played sports in the world especially in the third world. Aurangzebra (talk) 02:10, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discussion

Add Flag football

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A safer variant of American football where there is no tackling players to the ground. A reasonably popular sport when comparing to other sports we list. I remember playing both futsal and flag football in PE class at school. Flag football will be a discretionary event for the 2028 Olympics, which will be the first time any gridiron football has been in the Olympics.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 08:19, 8 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. On the rise. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 19:03, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Still pretty niche. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:21, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discussion

Remove Frisbee sports  5

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Remove as an unnecessary umbrella topic. It's enough that we list Disc golf  5 and Ultimate (sport) as individual sports; they're more vital than the category of sports.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 18:39, 8 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support. --Thi (talk) 07:57, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discussion

Don't forget that Frisbee  4 pbp 03:59, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Swap: Remove Acela  5, add Union Pacific Railroad

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The Acela is a small part of the already-vital Amtrak  5. The Union Pacific was, along with the Central Pacific, the First Transcontinental Railroad. It later bought the Central and Southern Pacific to become one of the largest railways in the country. BNSF would also IMO be a good candidate. pbp 16:27, 8 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. pbp 17:03, 8 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 19:24, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Removal only
Add only
Swap with a different railroad
Discussion

Remove Sing, Sing, Sing (With a Swing)  5

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Going through some of the specific musical works that we list at present, I think this one kinda sticks out to me as not really having much of a claim to vitality. It's creator, Louis Prima, is not vital even at this level and saying that a popular song like this is more vital than it's original artist is a very hard sell. Especially when the artist himself probably shouldn't be at this level regardless. There's not really much of a claim to vitality in the article itself either. And if you wanna play the pageviews and interwikis game (which may be a bit flawed for older songs like this, but whatever), it only has about 5,400 pageviews in the past month and 12 interwikis. I believe that these numbers are the lowest out of every song like it on this list. We don't necessarily have a shortage of representation for classical jazz or swing music on this list (in-fact, there were a lot of those additions not that long ago). Not to say that it's over-represented, I think it's perfectly represented. But rather my point is I don't think this song is filling in any gaps in our coverage, and it can probably be cut in favor of a more important song or album.

Unless we're listing it solely to represent Benny Goodman  5 (who is currently at V4), which I suppose would be fair, but I don't think we should be listing songs solely to represent a musician who didn't even originally create or sing that song. A better work to represent Goodman would probably be The Famous 1938 Carnegie Hall Jazz Concert, assuming that Goodman is worthy of V4 and stays there after my recent proposal to remove him from that level.

Support
  1. As nom. λ NegativeMP1 04:45, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 19:24, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discuss

More sports cleaning

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Remove Nordic combined  5

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WITHDRAWN
Should be kept for being an Olympic sport. Makkool (talk) 20:57, 19 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Has been in every Winter Olympics since 1924, but I still think it could be a not vital enough sport to list. We do list ski-jumping and cross-country skiing separately already.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 19:40, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Any sport that has been in an Olympics belongs on VA5, especially one that has been contested since 1924. We don't complain about having Triathlon  5, Modern pentathlon  5, or Decathlon  4 even though we have all the constituent events. Aurangzebra (talk) 20:42, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. per Aurangzebra. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:24, 12 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. pbp 22:21, 12 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discuss
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Remove Football (ball)  5

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This article is on all kinds of balls used in different sports called "football". It's enough we list the article Ball (association football)  5, which is about soccer balls.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 19:40, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Not really about a specific topic. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:42, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per above. Swap with Ball (gridiron football). JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 00:14, 10 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 15:14, 10 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Remove Indian club  5

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A bit obscure piece of gym equipment. We don't list Kettlebell, which we should ahead of this.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 19:40, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Weak oppose. Per below, I feel like these were more common back in the day. Hell, the oldest film in the Library of Congress is a guy swinging Indian clubs. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 00:14, 10 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discuss

@Aurangzebra: Indian clubs WERE contested twice in the Olympics. Obscure NOW, less so in the past pbp 20:51, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I lean oppose on this (but not strongly enough to decide on a vote just yet). I think the fact that it was an Olympic event at all indicates its high levels of historic popularity and I don't think a thing being obscure now is necessarily a disqualifier for VA5. A really bad comparison is the Electrical telegraph  5 which is obscure now but was of course quite vital back in the day. Aurangzebra (talk) 15:13, 10 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add Kettlebell

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Really popular type of exercise equipment.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 19:40, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 00:14, 10 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 15:14, 10 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:39, 12 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Add Dog agility

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I tried proposing once, but it didn't get much traction then. Agility is a quite popular animal sport.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 19:40, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Pretty obvious. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 00:14, 10 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 15:14, 10 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Pretty popular - but I never heard of it. I know, subjective. But if it is that popular, more adds will outweight me, right? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:19, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discuss

Religion adds (set 1 of 2)

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Add Pietism

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Pietism was a highly influential denomation to Protestantism, as part of Lutheranism in Central and Northern Europe. Historically it had great influence to other Christian denominations outside Lutheranism, like Methodism and Anababtism. About as vital as the Moravian Church  5, another historically important denomination we already list.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 19:55, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Definitely, IIUC this also had a huge effect on the culture of Germany. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 03:51, 11 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 05:52, 20 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Add Christian theology

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We list Islamic studies  5, but not this. Christian theology is a major discipline taught in universities around the world. We currently list only the general article Theology  4.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 19:55, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 08:14, 10 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. pbp 14:36, 10 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 15:14, 10 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Kevinishere15 (talk) 17:58, 10 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Definitely. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 03:51, 11 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Add Hasidic Judaism

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A visible movement of Judaism in the modern day. It's founding father Baal Shem Tov  4 is Level 4.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 19:55, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 15:14, 10 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Definitely. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 03:51, 11 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 05:52, 20 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Remove tea varieties

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We used to list much more coffee varieties than we list now, but we cut them down a few years ago. We didn't touch the tea varieties then, so now we list tea disproporionally more compared to coffee. We are over-quota in Everyday life, so I would like to propose some tea varieties to be removed. Makkool (talk) 20:30, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Remove Suutei tsai  5

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Mongolian tea, not very well known.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 20:30, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support, seems pretty obscure and somewhat redundant to Milk tea  5. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:45, 12 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Oppose. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 04:04, 11 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discuss

Remove Thai tea  5

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Not very well known globally.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 20:30, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Oppose. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 04:04, 11 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discuss

Remove Yellow tea  5

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Not that known tea variety compared to the others.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 20:30, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. "Not that known?" 40 interwikis pbp 20:53, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Compare to white tea with 48, that is less Makkool (talk) 21:35, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Oppose. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 04:04, 11 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discuss

For transparency, the interwiki amounts are black tea (62), fermented tea (15), green tea (84), oolong (48), white tea (48) and yellow tea (40). For this being in the lower tier, I think it would have justification to be cut. Makkool (talk) 20:44, 10 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Remove Chamomile  5

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Somewhat popular herbal infusion, but not that culturally relevant (mostly known for possibly improving sleep quality)

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 20:30, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Oppose. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 04:04, 11 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discuss

Remove Hibiscus tea  5

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Somewhat popular herbal infusion, but feels less vital than yerba mate or rooibos.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 20:30, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Oppose. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 04:04, 11 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discuss

Remove Tea culture  5

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We don't list Coffee culture.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 20:30, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. What about beer culture, milk culture...-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 00:03, 12 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Oppose. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 04:04, 11 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Plays a significant role in many cultures and is historic and significant enough to merit a spot. For what it's worth, I would support adding coffee culture, drinking culture, and latte. Aurangzebra (talk) 18:42, 19 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per other comments. Not seeing this as V5 is just a symptom of Western bias. This is an important aspect of traditional Asian culture. (And even in the West, this used to be a thing in some places, ex. the UK of the Victorian era or so). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:15, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discuss
  1. Broadly, I feel like this is a proposal that has a bit of a western bias to it. Tea and Tea culture predate coffee by around 1,000 years. Tea has had a major impact on world events in very extreme ways, such as the events surrounding the Boston Tea Party  5. I would be failing my inner Iroh if I didn't take a stand and say something about this agregious disrespect for tea. If anything, we should be expanding out coverage of the topic. I don't think Coffee has had quite the same tremenodous cultural impact across so many diverse people. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 04:04, 11 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    1. Currently we have 4 articles on the varieties of coffee in the Hot drinks section and 13 for tea (18 if you include herbal tea). Even if we consider the historical significance and Western bias I think 1:3 or 1:4,5 ratio is excessive in favor of tea. And I'm not dissing tea, I enjoy having a cuppa every now and then. Would you rather like to see some of the cut coffee articles brought back to the list? I think latte at least should belong as a VA5 article. Makkool (talk) 19:33, 11 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
      Broadly, tea/coffee and other cultural cornerstone food/beverages would not be where I'd start in trying to trim the current list. We have 13 varieties of tea, but how many individual TV shows, movies, musical pieces, or other individual level item. In terms of tea varieties, we are missing most of them. Hōjicha, Matcha, Gunpowder tea, Bancha, Longjing tea, or Kukicha. In terms of coffee, we don't include the Coffee plant, much less varieties like Coffea arabica, Coffea stenophylla and Coffea canephora or specific cultivars like Kona coffee or Bourbon coffee. We're missing terms like Peaberry and Coffee bean. We include Coffee preparation  5, but are missing Coffee roasting, Coffee extraction, as well as common methods of extraction like Coffee percolator and Drip coffee. While I agree latte should be level 5, I don't think that needs to come from our teas when we have 419 specific musical works, and over 15,000 individual people. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 14:06, 12 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Move Life expectancy and Infant mortality

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Life expectancy  5 and Infant mortality  5 are listed on Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/5/Society and social sciences/Social studies#Issues but since they are specifically public health issues, they could alternatively be listed on Health.

Support
  1. As nom, weak support. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 17:11, 10 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 19:33, 11 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Remove Rock musical

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Removed 4-0. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:04, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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A small subset of musical theater with just five interwikis pbp 18:57, 10 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. pbp 18:57, 10 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Just not significant enough. λ NegativeMP1 01:26, 11 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per above. QuicoleJR (talk) 12:03, 11 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Low pageviews at ~50 daily, too specific form of Musical theatre  4.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 12:17, 11 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion
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Remove Charlie's Angels

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Passed 5-1. QuicoleJR (talk) 15:32, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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An American TV show which AFAICT doesn't have a strong claim to vitality. It got decent ratings for a couple of seasons, won a couple of awards, and was adapted into a few films, but it hasn't won enough awards to use that as a vitality argument, it wasn't popular enough to use that as an argument, and it does not appear to have had any sort of impact on television or on society.

Support
  1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:37, 12 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support per nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 15:02, 12 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 17:02, 12 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. PrimalMustelid (talk) 17:15, 12 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  5. 6 seasons of TV and three movies in 50 years. I guess not that important of a franchise.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 18:04, 12 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. I'll register a weak oppose - I think the show has some cultural significance, it's name appears here and there as comparison or a trope. That said, TV trope has only entries for the shows and https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AngelsPose . https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Series/CharliesAngels also claims (I know, not reliable) that "A big ratings hit in its time, Charlie's Angels is remembered today both for being one of the first action series with strong female heroines, and for its prominent fanservice." --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:11, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
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Remove MTV Movie & TV Awards  5

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Our least vital film award. Even MTV Music Awards hasn't been very relative in a long time.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 17:02, 12 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Not vital. Kevinishere15 (talk) 18:07, 12 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Not more vital than the MTV Video Music Awards. λ NegativeMP1 19:36, 12 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 00:50, 13 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Soft drink removals

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Remove Ribena  5

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Our least vital soft drink brand. The annual global sales number seems quite large (500 million pounds), but I'm not sure if we need to have the UK represented in this section. I haven't never heard of this drink.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 17:02, 12 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Have never heard of this ever. λ NegativeMP1 19:40, 12 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Maybe swap with Irn-Bru or Lipton (not a soft drink but founded by Thomas Lipton  5) per pageviews. Sahaib (talk) 20:38, 12 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Remove Ice cream float  5

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I think it's more a historical thing. It's a drink you can still easily make yourself at home, but I don't think it's that significant or common dessert to warrant a VA slot.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 17:02, 12 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. They're pretty well known and significant, and this in a sense represents a larger category of "float" based drinks/deserts (e.g. "coke floats" or "root beer floats"), but I don't really know if it's something worth having on this level.
Oppose
Neutral
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Remove Universal Destinations & Experiences and Six Flags

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See List of amusement park rankings#Amusement park corporations, Universal Destinations & Experiences is #4 and Six Flags is #8 so it doesn't make sense to list them when none of the other top ten are listed.

Support
  1. As nom. Sahaib (talk) 21:23, 12 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Sure. Never heard of them. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:23, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Instead swap out for their most-attended parks pbp 22:19, 12 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discuss

Add Exercise equipment

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Add Treadmill

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Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:50, 12 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Should 100% be here. λ NegativeMP1 23:00, 12 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Definitely vital. QuicoleJR (talk) 01:52, 13 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4.  Carlwev  14:04, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Obvious add. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:18, 15 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Kevinishere15 (talk) 17:34, 17 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discussion

Add Stationary bicycle

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Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:50, 12 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Seems vital enough. QuicoleJR (talk) 01:52, 13 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3.  Carlwev  14:04, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Common enough equipment. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:18, 15 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discussion

Add Climbing wall

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Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:50, 12 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Definitely vital. QuicoleJR (talk) 01:52, 13 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3.  Carlwev  14:04, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Common enough. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:18, 15 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discussion

(not OP) Add Elliptical trainer

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Not as common equipment as a treadmill or stationary bicycle, but still common enough (especially in fitness centers) that I think most people will recognize.

Support
  1. As nom. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:28, 15 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

(not OP) Add Dumbbell

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I don't think this needs any explanation.

Support
  1. As nom. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:28, 15 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Common. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:23, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
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(not OP) Add Barbell

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Another common piece of exercise equipment; like dumbbells but much heavier.

Support
  1. As nom. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:28, 15 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Common. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:23, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]


Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

(not OP) Add Health club

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One of many things I'm very surprised we don't list already. Also known as a fitness center or weight room, it's where you can do exercises with things like dumbbells and barbells, or you can use a treadmill, stationary bike, or elliptical trainer. Yes, we already list Gym  5, which is similar, but that's more so for sports.

Support
  1. As nom. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:28, 15 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discuss

Swap A Brighter Summer Day with Pulgasari

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Both receive similar pageview numbers but Pulgasari currently has 9 more language links. Another thing to point out is that Pulgasari is rated on its talk page as high‑importance to WikiProject Korea (as well as mid-importance to WikiProject Japan and low-importance to WikiProject China, as it was a co-production between 3 countries) whereas A Brighter Summer Day is currently rated as low importance to WikiProject Taiwan.

Support
  1. As nom. Sahaib (talk) 17:09, 13 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Weak support add, dunno about swapping. I think most of Pulgasari's international recognition is because it's origin and premise have been viewed by many as absurd, leading it to become a cult classic of sorts. That being said, I would welcome non-Western art listings whenever possible and fit, and I'm almost certain we don't list many works originating from Korea. λ NegativeMP1 17:24, 13 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Weak support remove per nom. Oppose add per NegativeMP1, I'm hesitant to add any cult classic status works before all-time classics that aren't listed yet. Makkool (talk) 18:02, 13 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. As said above, Pulgasari is only really well-known due to the strange story behind it. Also not convinced basing a remove rationale based on the subjective importance ratings when you can find plenty of really strange ratings there all over the place Iostn (talk) 23:06, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discuss

Remove Sweet potato soup

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There are 19 articles about soup that I can see. This one looks like one of the least vital. A stub in 7 languages. Compare with Category:Soups in general there are many more significant soups missing, like oxtail soup. Even looking at more specific Category:Chinese soups there are still some more important like Beef noodle soup. [4] Page view wise, the other two missing soups I mentioned each have over 4 times the views. Ready meal has over double, and I believe more significant, so I am proposing a swap. I am not sure how much is gained by having 19 soups, they are not all individually vital.

Support
  1. Support as nom.  Carlwev  18:38, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 22:42, 19 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Would support a swap. feminist🩸 (talk) 14:23, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 16:38, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  5. pbp 16:48, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  6. -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 01:36, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion

Add Frozen meal

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(Kind of Swap in for sweet potato soup above.) Frozen meal, also known as ready meal, TV dinner or microwave meal. Even though considered low culture or lazy, we list things like fast food at level 4. Fairly recent, but been around 70 years, so not extremely recent compared with many articles in other parts of the list. Apparently global market is over 150 billion dollars and predicted to double in the next decade. If one goes into a store, the number on sale, number sold and eaten, space taken up and number to choose from is very substantial. Especially considering how many individual types of soup, sauce, cocktails we list, which I imagine to be significantly less significant part of peoples diet, and part of the food market. Imagine how much of the food market and peoples diet consist of lemon tart or misua which are included compared with ready meals. They are, for good or bad, very popular and big part of the market and of people's diet and only getting more so. We have 671 articles under food at level 5 (not including plants or appliances) I think ready meal is easily within the top 500 food articles, and belongs at level 5

Support
  1. Support as nom.  Carlwev  18:38, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. pbp 19:11, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Kevinishere15 (talk) 19:21, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. PrimalMustelid (talk) 21:22, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  5. For sure. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 21:52, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Per below, definitely supporting frozen food as well. Gun to my head, if I had to choose only one to add, I'd choose frozen food, but I think both should be added. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 18:57, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  6. To TonyTheTiger's point, I think we should include Frozen food and the more specific Frozen meal. QuicoleJR (talk) 21:35, 15 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Not as vital as Frozen food, which I would support. If this passes, I will nominate a swap.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 06:30, 15 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Discussion

There has been discussion at frozen meal, that many ready meals are in fact chilled and not frozen, so the article should maybe be renamed. A discussion for there not here. But not completely subsumed and redundant. The main thing is it is a whole meal all ready packed and cooked in one package, the fact they are sometimes frozen, is true, but not the main point about them, and sometimes they are not even frozen. I would support both ready meal and frozen food, not one or the other. Either way nice spotting frozen food.  Carlwev  12:31, 15 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

20th century classical music proposals, considered individually

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These are ThomEmilAlbe's proposals from last October. I re-opened these proposals individually so that they would get more attention this way. Makkool (talk) 18:56, 19 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Remove The Armed Man  5

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Support
  1. Support removal: I like Karl Jenkins, but this doesn't say vital to me. The piece is from 1999, which is quite recent for classical music. We can't say yet how significant this will be considered over the years. Makkool (talk) 18:56, 19 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support, Jenkins, who is absent, seems slightly more vital than this work, but I'm not jumping to suggest him  Carlwev  16:44, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support. --Thi (talk) 08:00, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion

Worth noting that Karl Jenkins himself is not listed.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 10:02, 20 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Remove Csárdás (Monti)  5

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Support
  1. Support removal: Vitality doesn't show from the article. Makkool (talk) 18:56, 19 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support  Carlwev  17:51, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support. --Thi (talk) 08:00, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion

Remove Symphony No. 2 (Rachmaninoff)  5 or Piano Concerto No. 3 (Rachmaninoff)  5

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Support
  1. Support Piano Concerto No. 3: Rachmaninoff gets four slots when many other composer get less. I trust ThomEmilAlbe's judgement that these are the least vital. Symphony No. 2 is described as very well-known, so I'll support the Piano Concerto. Makkool (talk) 18:56, 19 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Oh no, the Piano Concerto No. 3 is as good as No. 2. And the Symphony No. 2 is vital as well. I think Rachmaninov gets four slots because he deserves it. (He actually gets more than four slots, but I won't tell you where to look. :-))
    Let them both stay. Especially considering what you are proposing to replace them with below. --Moscow Connection (talk) 10:50, 20 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Oppose. Rachmaninoff's concertos are too important. --Thi (talk) 08:00, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Discussion

IMO, not only should all Rachmaninoff's works remain on the list, but his Piano Concerto No. 2 should be elevated to level 4. --Moscow Connection (talk) 11:00, 20 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Remove Symphony No. 7 (Sibelius)  5 or Symphony No. 2 (Sibelius)  5

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Support
  1. Support Symphony No. 7: Sibelius also gets four slots, when many other composers get less. Symphonies 7 and 2 have the least daily pageviews, and of them No. 7 is the stronger case for removal. Wouldn't oppose No. 2 though. Makkool (talk) 18:56, 19 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion

Add Music for 18 Musicians

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Support
  1. Support add: Minimalism doesn't get enough representation. Music for 18 Musicians really famous and arguably Steve Reich's most known work. Makkool (talk) 18:56, 19 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support --Thi (talk) 08:01, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion

What do you think? Should we add the work (this proposal), or the album? AFAIK, the recording on the album is what made this so famous. Makkool (talk) 20:03, 19 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Worth noting that Symphony No. 3 (Górecki)  5, another minimalist composition, is already listed.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 09:48, 20 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add Violin Concerto (Berg)

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Support
  1. Support add: Described as composer Alban Berg's most well-known piece. Makkool (talk) 18:56, 19 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Wozzeck and Lulu (opera) get more pageviews from his output (and have considerably more interwikis), I'd support adding Lulu instead to represent 12-tone musical works.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 09:42, 20 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Discussion

Add Le Marteau sans maître

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Support
  1. Support add: Described as one of composer Pierre Boulez's most well-known pieces. Makkool (talk) 18:56, 19 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion

Add Einstein on the Beach

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Support
  1. Support add: Another work to represent minimalism, and I also think Philip Glass should get at least one work. Makkool (talk) 18:56, 19 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Philip Glass  4 should be big enough to have representation of individual works.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 10:00, 20 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support --Thi (talk) 08:03, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion

Coffee additions

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My proposals for tea removals didn't get unanimous support, and people seemed to be open for coffee to be represented more. I dug the page history and these articles used to be listed back in 2023. They were subsequently removed, when the tea articles remained untouched. I propose that we return at least some of them.

Add Latte

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Support
  1. World-famous Italian milk coffee drink. Very culturally relevant in the western world. Makkool (talk) 19:37, 19 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Very common. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 03:34, 20 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:15, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion

I won't vote against this one (I've voted against "Caffè americano" and "Caffè mocha"), but I think "Milk coffee" would be a better addition. Cause there are many drinks that are essentially the same old milk and coffee, and the article "Milk coffee" talks about the concept.
Also, please note that "Latte" doesn't even have a Spanish interwiki, the Spanish article "es:Café con leche" links to our "Milk coffee". (Not to our "Café con leche", by the way.) --Moscow Connection (talk) 09:42, 21 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Good point! We already have Milk tea  5, so Milk coffee should be added as well, when it exists as a separate article. I made a new proposal for it, if you would like to support it instead. Makkool (talk) 11:44, 21 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add Caffè americano

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Support
  1. Another very popular coffee drink. You can order one in most cafés today. Makkool (talk) 19:37, 19 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Seems common enough. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 03:34, 20 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Sorry, but I don't see the need to add essentially the same thing three times. --Moscow Connection (talk) 09:31, 21 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Oppose Quite trivial. --Thi (talk) 08:07, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Discussion

Add Caffè mocha

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Support
  1. A traditional and well-known coffee drink with added chocolate. Makkool (talk) 19:37, 19 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Very common. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 03:34, 20 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Sorry, but I don't see the need to add essentially the same thing three times. --Moscow Connection (talk) 09:32, 21 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Oppose Quite trivial. --Thi (talk) 08:07, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Discussion

Add Coffee culture (new article)

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Support
  1. We haven't had this article before, but there was support to add this along Tea culture. Makkool (talk) 19:37, 19 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion

Add Turkish coffee (new article)

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Support
  1. Quite famous regional coffee preparation method. We should add some other coffee type from elsewhere than Italy. Makkool (talk) 19:37, 19 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support - more vital than half the cocktails we list. Over 60 interwiki languages. Seems more vital than the listed Rum and Coke or Applejack (drink) [5]  Carlwev  08:01, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion

Add Drip coffee (new article)

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Support
  1. Very common coffee preparation method. We should add at least some other coffee type than espresso-based. Makkool (talk) 19:37, 19 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion

Add Milk coffee (new article)

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Support
  1. To be paired with Milk tea. Makkool (talk) 11:44, 21 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support. See my comment at #Add Latte. --Moscow Connection (talk) 12:11, 21 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Definitely. QuicoleJR (talk) 15:25, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion

Remove Vietnamese iced coffee  5

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I'm aware we are over-quota in Everyday life, so I'll balance the coffee additions with a removal. I think we can cut this; Iced coffee  5 is enough.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 19:41, 19 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support  Carlwev  13:42, 20 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support --Thi (talk) 08:07, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion

There is a proposal to increase the quota for everyday life. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 13:28, 20 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Religion adds (set 2 of 2)

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Add Liberation theology

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Very significant theological movement, first in the Catholic church relating to Latin America and later in a broadening context. Place under Christian theology after it's added.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 21:58, 19 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 05:50, 20 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion

Add Confessing Church

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An opposing Protestant church or movement to the Nazis during the Third Reich. Historically significant in German Protestantism. It’s key founding member Dietrich Bonhoeffer  4 is V4.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 21:58, 19 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion

Add Xbox and PlayStation

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We list the consoles themselves, but not the companies behind them.

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 13:15, 20 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. I don't see a point to listing the brands. We already list Microsoft  4 and Sony  5, the actual companies behind the consoles. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:06, 20 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discuss
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Very common type of puzzle that we don't list yet.

Support
  1. As nom. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:32, 21 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Should be listed. QuicoleJR (talk) 16:03, 21 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Add Exercise ball

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Another common piece of exercise equipment that's not listed yet. Yoga balls are listed under this page as well.

Support
  1. As nom. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 03:04, 22 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Add JD.com

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Since 2023, it has been the largest Chinese retailer by revenue and it is currently the 15th largest Chinese company overall, ahead of Alibaba Group  4.

Support
  1. As nom. Sahaib (talk) 09:00, 22 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Xiaomi would be a more worthwhile addition, as a larger and arguably more notable company. feminist🩸 (talk) 06:03, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  1. @Feminist: it is not a larger company. Xiaomi's revenue is US$50.971 billion (2024) whereas JD.com's revenue is US$152.8 billion (2023). Sahaib (talk) 06:42, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Xiaomi is more than twice the size of JD by market capitalization. It also has more international operations with a broader scope (consumer electronics, including being the #2 smartphone maker in the world behind Apple Inc.  4) instead of the mostly e-commerce pure-play that is overshadowed by Alibaba Group  4 in China alone. feminist🩸 (talk) 14:18, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discuss

Move architectural elements

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A discussion above was relisted here because Zar2gar1 wants to move the entries about architectural elements, but those that are already listed are still on the technology subpage. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 20:38, 22 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Move to architecture (Arts)
  1. I'm leaning architecture for most of these articles. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 20:38, 22 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Move to everyday life
  1. It's hard to decide between architecture and everyday life for some articles such as Floor  4 and Room  4. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 20:38, 22 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep on technology
  1. Keep Elevator  4 and Escalator  5. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 20:38, 22 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Discussion

I had to step away from Wikipedia before the last discussion was resolved. Unless something's changed about how we do moves generally though, I'd support you or anyone willing to move the articles to follow their best judgment. Moves typically don't get much feedback or cause much controversy; it's been a month since you posted this without feedback too, which I'd consider sufficient notice. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 01:46, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Replace Florence Owens Thompson with Migrant Mother

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The only claim to fame of Florence Owens Thompson  5 is being the model of the famous photograph Migrant Mother.

Support
  1. As nom. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 23:42, 22 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. She may have been added to increase representation of some group, but the nominator is correct and she's not one of the 50,000 most important subjects. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 19:23, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom. Kevinishere15 (talk) 18:01, 25 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. The image is considerably more vital than the person, and there is an open proposal to potentially give Arts the quota to make room for additions. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:49, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion

Add Gold medal, Silver medal, and Bronze medal

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Well known prize medals awarded in several fields, most notably athletics.

Support
  1. As nom. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 04:28, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. I don't see the reason to take up three spaces of these when they're all covering roughly the same topic. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 19:15, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discuss

Add Olympic medal

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Speaking of prize medals, this is THE most iconic prize medal of them all.

Support
  1. As nom. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 04:31, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Relatively important. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 19:16, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Add Grammatical gender

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Anyone learning a first, second or subsequent language will have to learn about grammatical gender if the said language has it, and although not every language has it, many do, and some more did in the past. It would be of interest to general readers and expert linguists, as to why some languages have it, and why it works the way it does, why there are two or sometimes more genders. The article appears in 77 languages on wikipedia, more than many level 4 grammar articles like phrase and clause. Page view wise, Grammatical gender has over 2 million since 2015, which is over half the level 3 language article grammar, and almost the same as the level 3 article word, also much higher than the level 4 grammar articles clause, phrase, and sentence (linguistics) [6]. An argument could possibly be made for level 4 for this article, but it should be at least level 5. There are separate articles for grammatical gender in German, Spanish, French, Norwegian, Dutch and English. Plus it also has it's own category Category:Grammatical gender, and is rated top importance in linguistics. Language at level 5 has just under 600 articles, I would be surprised if an encyclopedia had 600 separate articles on language but didn't have language gender.

Support
  1. As nom.  Carlwev  08:25, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. This would be listed already if English had it. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:55, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Iostn (talk) 15:31, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 21:55, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion

Add Western literature

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An important concept in history of literature. Rated Top-importance in Wikiproject Literature.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 08:33, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Seems important enough to include. QuicoleJR (talk) 15:16, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 13:03, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Iostn (talk) 15:31, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion

European literature removals

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If we add western literature, I'll suggest some non-vital European literatures by country to be removed for balance. All of these have low daily pageviews according to LaukkuTheGreit's listing. We wouldn't have to cut them all, but at least some of them feel obvious cases.

Remove Belgian literature  5

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Low daily pageviews

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 09:18, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Belgian literature is a small subset of French literature  4 and Dutch-language literature  5, both of which we list. Belgium is a small country, and its works have not made a global impact. Walloon-language literature isn't enough to offset this, because it doesn't even seem particularly influential in Belgium. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:05, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. The literature for a country is usually a well-covered subject, even if the sources may not be in English. Literature may be more important than you assume. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 19:18, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Oppose --Thi (talk) 08:06, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Discussion

Remove Swiss literature  5

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Seems equally non-vital as Belgian lit.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 09:18, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. No real impact outside of Switzerland itself. Like Belgium, Switzerland is made of a variety of languages, with no one dominant language, meaning that much of this literature is only impactful in part of Switzerland. The number of redlinks present in the article is telling. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:39, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Limited in international impact Iostn (talk) 15:31, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. The literature for a country is usually a well-covered subject, even if the sources may not be in English. Literature may be more important than you assume. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 19:18, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Oppose --Thi (talk) 08:06, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Discussion

Remove Finnish literature  5

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Maybe it's enough we list Scandinavian literature  4.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 09:18, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. The literature for a country is usually a well-covered subject, even if the sources may not be in English. Literature may be more important than you assume. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 19:18, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Oppose --Thi (talk) 08:06, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Discussion

Remove Danish literature  5

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Maybe it's enough we list Scandinavian literature  4.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 09:18, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. The literature for a country is usually a well-covered subject, even if the sources may not be in English. Literature may be more important than you assume. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 19:18, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Hans Christian Andersen  4 and Karen Blixen  4 are Danish. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:17, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Kevinishere15 (talk) 05:01, 31 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Iostn (talk) 15:31, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Discussion

Remove Romanian literature  5

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Not as well known than other literature from Eastern Europe.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 09:18, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. The literature for a country is usually a well-covered subject, even if the sources may not be in English. Literature may be more important than you assume. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 19:18, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Oppose --Thi (talk) 08:06, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Discussion

Remove Austrian literature  5

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About as vital as Swiss lit.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 09:18, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. The literature for a country is usually a well-covered subject, even if the sources may not be in English. Literature may be more important than you assume. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 19:18, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Oppose --Thi (talk) 08:06, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Discussion

Remove Norwegian literature  5

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Maybe it's enough we list Scandinavian literature  4.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 09:18, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. The literature for a country is usually a well-covered subject, even if the sources may not be in English. Literature may be more important than you assume. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 19:18, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Oppose --Thi (talk) 08:05, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Discussion

Remove Czech literature  5

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A smaller country for literature in Central Europe.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 09:18, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. pbp 10:05, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. The literature for a country is usually a well-covered subject, even if the sources may not be in English. Literature may be more important than you assume. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 19:18, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Highly influential literary tradition, small country or not (see: Karel Čapek  5, Franz Kafka  4, Milan Kundera  5 Iostn (talk) 15:31, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Discussion

Remove Dutch-language literature  5

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A not so big country for literature, maybe it doesn't make the cut?

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 09:18, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. The literature for a language, just like for a country, is usually a well-covered subject, even if the sources may not be in English. Literature may be more important than you assume. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 19:18, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Dutch is spoken in several countries that aren't the Netherlands. The language seems common enough to include IMO, and it is rated High-Importance by WikiProject Literature. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:08, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Discussion

Remove Portuguese literature  5

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A not so big country for literature.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 09:18, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. The literature for a country is usually a well-covered subject, even if the sources may not be in English. Literature may be more important than you assume. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 19:18, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Oppose --Thi (talk) 08:05, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Discussion

Remove Swedish literature  5

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Maybe it's enough we list Scandinavian literature  4.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 09:18, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. The literature for a country is usually a well-covered subject, even if the sources may not be in English. Literature may be more important than you assume. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 19:18, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Oppose --Thi (talk) 08:05, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Discussion

Remove Icelandic literature  5

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Maybe it's enough we list Scandinavian literature  4.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 09:18, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Swap with Sagas of Icelanders. 5x the views and 8 more interwikis. pbp 12:50, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Swap with Edda - more interwikis. Ping User:Purplebackpack89 in case they'd consider this a better swap. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:23, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Discussion
  1. The only one in this series that might have some sense, but even then, Edda is pretty famous and influential. I might support a swap for that, since the rest of the Icelanding literature does not seem to have much impact outside that, well, tiny island. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:33, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Remove Polish literature  5

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A smaller country for literature in Central Europe.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 09:18, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Poland is one of the bigger European countries. pbp 10:05, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. The literature for a country is usually a well-covered subject, even if the sources may not be in English. Literature may be more important than you assume. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 19:18, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Kevinishere15 (talk) 21:17, 26 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Poland is a sizable country, and it has two VA4 authors, three if you count Joseph Conrad  4. QuicoleJR (talk) 15:23, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Iostn (talk) 15:31, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Discussion

Add Jules Maigret to fictional characters/literary and drama

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The French detective has been in 75 books, 28 short stories, and something like 200 television episodes pbp 12:06, 26 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. pbp 12:06, 26 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. per PBP89. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 19:17, 26 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support. --Moscow Connection (talk) 18:58, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion

We need something like Peace treaty, Armistice, or Ceasefire

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Do we have anything on these topics? The closest I could find is Treaty  5. We need an article covering an agreement to end an armed conflict. I think Peace treaty would be best, although some might say it shouldn't be included on the same level as Treaty  5. Still, it's important enough to include, and Treaty  5 focuses the process of making agreements, what they contain, and how they are enforced, not specific military objectives and their involvement during active warfare. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 16:48, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. All three are V5 if not higher (for peace treaty, in particular). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:24, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss
  1. I started a discussion for each of these, separately, below. I suggest this one is closed as it is better to discuss each proposal sepeately. Ping nom User:EchoVanguardZ so they can close this and/or vote below if they wish to do so. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:22, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, I don't think this should be a voting area. The discussions you started below are better. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 18:41, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add Corporatism

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Corporatism is an political ideology that was common at various times in the past.

Support
  1. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 16:55, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Sure. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 03:00, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion

Add Proletarian internationalism

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An ideology of the Soviet Union and of communism in general.

Support
  1. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 17:07, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion

Add Hegemony or Power (international relations)

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I would prefer Hegemony (70 interwikis) but Power (international relations) (23 interwikis) would work as an alternative. We currently have Power (social and political)  3 at VA3 and Superpower  5, Great power  5, Hard power  5, and Soft power  5 at VA5. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 17:12, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. Added support for Hegemony. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 18:10, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makes sense. Hegemony is an important concept in poli science. I am not sure if we need this dimension of power here, however, so I am neutral for that one. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:23, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion

Pinging nom EchoVanguardZ who forgot to add the voting section, or support their own proposal. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:23, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add Child custody

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Child custody is one of the most important issues in Family law, which we don't include either, but is currently more of a list than an article. When we have very specific concepts such as Golden parachute  5 and Delict  5, we should include this.

Support
  1. As nominator. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 16:02, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 16:34, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Important topic. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:22, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Definitely. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 03:01, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Yes. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:22, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion

Add European political party

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Type of Political party  3 found in the European Parliament  5.

Support
  1. As nominator. Sahaib (talk) 18:33, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion

Add Kindness

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I know Philosophy and Religion Psychology is overquota, but I could easily see this one making VA4. Kindness is a very important concept in society, and I don't think I need to explain why.

Support
  1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:20, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Obviously vital, no strong opinion on exactly where it should be listed. Kevinishere15 (talk) 05:01, 31 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Yet another basic concept not added yet. Yawn. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 03:02, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Sure. Maybe we need to readjust the quota. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:21, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Should already be listed as vital since kindness is enforced in schools and it is how everyone should show their respect for others. I support.JustTryingToBeSmart (talk) 19:38, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

@QuicoleJR: Wouldn't it be listed on Psychology (probably Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/5/Society/Social studies#Emotions and traits|]])? Unfounately that page is over quota too. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 19:37, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, that's probably where it would be listed. I would support it on any page, regardless of quota. Kindness is definitely a vital topic. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:53, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add Audi

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A 108-interwiki article that hasn't been listed yet? Really?

Support
  1. As nom. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 04:29, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Car brands like this are household names. V5 them. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:21, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support. --Thi (talk) 07:58, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
  1. Could support a swap. We are over-quota in this section and car companies aren't where I'd look first to fill any gaps. We represent luxury car companies already through BMW  5 and Mercedes-Benz  5/Mercedes-Benz Group  5 and these two brands take the top 2 slots in luxury car sales. Audi is 3rd. That being said, Audi's sales are very impressive for a luxury car company and units sold last year even exceeded standard car company sales such as Renault  5. Also, having a large number of interwikis is a supporting factor for inclusion on VA5 but doesn't provide a guarantee. David Woodard has 333 interwikis but have you heard of him? Aurangzebra (talk) 23:15, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Swap Songkran with Songkran (Thailand)  5

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PASSED
Uncontroversial swap per Interstellarity. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:50, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Songkran redirects to the article South and Southeast Asian solar New Year, and should not be listed. I believe that the article Songkran (Thailand) was meant to be listed as it is a massive Buddhist holiday in Thailand with 44 interwikis and high pageviews.

Support
  1. As nom. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 19:09, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Add Western canon

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A major concept in world culture. IMHO this should replace VA3 of English literature, but that's for some future rehashing of other discussions. For now, let's get this to V5, or preferably, V4. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:17, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:17, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Big and general enough of a concept at the very least on this level. (I also wonder about World literature  5 on higher levels, but that concept may not be as well-established.)--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 15:42, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 19:41, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Can somebody explain the difference between Western canon and Classic book  5? Feels like they share most of the same territory pbp 16:19, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Classic book is a broader concept (and arguably could be V5) too, as it should cover non-Western classic books (which the current, poor article only briefly acknowledges). Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 00:37, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
PS. To add re classic books, not all Western canon works are "books" (think poems, dramas, non-literary works like visual arts...). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:21, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add Canon (fiction)

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An important concept in fiction, not just theoretical, but know to many regular folks. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:17, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:20, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Basic, well-known concept. QuicoleJR (talk) 11:53, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Iostn (talk) 15:31, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Important enough. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:38, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Add Culture of the United States

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If both Culture of Japan  5 and Japanese popular culture  5 are listed, then I believe this should be too. Many aspects of American culture are iconic around the world, and have influenced many other cultures as well (likely in part due to the melting pot). Perhaps this could be swapped with Japanese popular culture.

Support
  1. as nom. SameOldSameOldSameOld (talk)
  2. Support simple add, no swap needed, Japanese popular culture is vital at this level as well. Kevinishere15 (talk) 03:04, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. As someone who complains about US/Western bias - yes, at V5 this is reasonable, particularly given examples above. In fact, quite a few other Fooian culture should be at V5. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:14, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Not having this would be excessive counterbias. Culture of North America  5 is currently just a list of associated topics, plus gets way less pageviews (~30-40 vs ~800 daily).--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 06:44, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Support add, oppose swap. This is definitely vital, but so is Japanese pop culture. QuicoleJR (talk) 12:13, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  6. In general the Culture of X section is a mess right now, I would support swapping Culture of North America  5 for this Iostn (talk) 15:31, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  7. Support, but would suggest swapping out some of the more trivial aspects of American pop culture listed at VA5 pbp 19:19, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  8. Support and agree we should swap out some of the things a bout American pop culture that are more local/recent and less global. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 22:30, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support swap with Japanese popular culture
Oppose
Discuss

Add East Asian tea ceremony

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Important part of Asian culture. Tea ceremony redirects there. If it is made into its own article, we could, at that point, consider a swamp. Folks may also look up at the older, related proposal to remove tea culture, with which I disagre and which inspired me to nom this. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:17, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. as nom. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:17, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Iostn (talk) 15:31, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Peace treaty

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Recently in another discussion it was observed we don't list any of the concepts: Peace treaty, Ceasefire, Armistice. I think they all V5, with peace treaty arguably needed at V4. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:28, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. as nom. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:28, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 18:07, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Iostn (talk) 15:31, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Obviously. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:39, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Ceasefire

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V5 concept. See also above. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:28, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. as nom. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:28, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 18:07, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Iostn (talk) 15:31, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Obviously. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:40, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Armistice

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V5 concept. See also above. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:28, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. as nom. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:28, 9 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Obviously. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:41, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss
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Art and culture law  5 seems to be covering a number of relatively unrelated things which are already covered in other places, and only has 4 other language versions. Compared to other articles in this section, it also has fewer pageviews, around 10 per day. I think Legal professional privilege is more important. It has about 30 pageviews per day and 11 other language versions. I do see that Attorney–client privilege has 3 times as many pageviews, but that article is restricted to the USA. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 00:26, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nominator.
Oppose
Discussion

Swap Christmastide  5 for Advent

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Christmastide has 15 interwikis and Advent has 85. Note that Christmas  4, Christmas traditions  5, Christmas Eve  5 and Boxing Day  5 pbp 14:53, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. pbp 14:53, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 18:44, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Advent also gets 2-3 times as many views, and this holds across languages, indicating that people are more interested in Advent than Christmastide. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 19:09, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 19:28, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  5. support, this crossed my mind for level 4 before level 5 existed, quite a significant story and tradition, we have several death of articles, this birth of jesus tradition article is important too. Especially compared to Christmastide.  Carlwev  21:20, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Incense

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I'm surprised Incense isn't on the list yet. It's culturally important.

Support
  1. As nominator. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 19:19, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support also thinking of something wider, like air freshener?  Carlwev  21:14, 10 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Another one that should have been listed a long time ago. QuicoleJR (talk) 00:55, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Of course. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:19, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Aye. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 21:14, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion

Add Our Gang

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Also known as The Little Rascals. Only 12 interwikis but the franchise consists of a two-decade run of 220 theatrical short films and many spinoffs. The series "broke new ground by portraying white and black children interacting as equals during the Jim Crow era" and the "characters in this series are well-known cultural icons", including Carl "Alfalfa" Switzer  5. CopiousAmountofCannons (talk) 00:53, 11 April 2025 (UTC).[reply]

Support
  1. Per nom. CopiousAmountofCannons (talk) 00:53, 11 April 2025 (UTC).[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Microsoft Flight Simulator

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Long-running and culturally important video game series not listed; early releases were some of the most advanced games of their time. The article has 26 interwikis, and I expected it to be on the list. It would belong in Everyday life/Sports, games and recreation#US products. Æ's old account wasn't working (talk) 14:33, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. assumed support by nom
  2. A very prominent example of earlier computer games and software + a long running series. I also don't think we list any examples of Simulation video games and all of the removals we did last year should allow us to squeeze this one in. We could also probably add the broad article for a Flight simulator. λ NegativeMP1 15:39, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. It was a thing. Although that can be said about quite a few games. Would welcome suggestions for a swap. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:03, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Gyeongbokgung

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The main royal palace of Korea for centuries and I think the most visited and prominent tourist attraction of South Korea. Seen as a symbol of Korea as a whole. I wrote current article, still working on it. Before my edits. Maybe will take to GA.

Should go under Arts/Specific structures. Think it's at least as prominent as many other things on the list.

Support
  1. As nominator. seefooddiet (talk) 23:18, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose


Discuss
  1. Unlike the other propsed item, this is not UNESCO level. 40 interwikis is ok, but the article (lead and tourist) does not make much of a case currently it is particularly influential. One survey in which 30% of locals called it the most scenic place. Sorry, not seeing how this is vital - at least, not from the current article, which makes next to no case that this is particulrly iconic, even in Korea, not to mention worldwide. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:02, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Argh. Tourism information and cultural significance is on my to-do list on expanding the article. I may renominate again later. I know you're just following the letter of the law and know this is the most important palace otherwise. seefooddiet (talk) 03:09, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @Piotrus: I just updated the article with more info. Gyeongbokgung#Tourism is this enough for now? I can add more if not. seefooddiet (talk) 02:36, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank you. That's good, for now I'll move my vote from oppose to neutral/discuss. Ping me when you are done improving the article, with th efocus on showing how this site is important for Korea/the world (i.e. why it is vital). Right now I am a bit on the fence - yes, it is important (in fact, I've seen it, I live in Korea...) but it would be good to argue how it is similar (in terms of page views, interlanguage links and arguments) to comparable stuff we list in V5. That would make your proposal stronger. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:55, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    For pageviews, Gyeongbokgung pretty consistently beats out these other entries: Pageviews 1 Pageviews 2 Pageviews 3
    I think Gyeongbokgung's cultural significance and age beats out the following entries:
    • Tahrir Square
    • Jatiya Sangsad Bhaban
      • A modern government complex, currently article only describes it as large, used by govt, and beautifully designed; doesn't seem to outweigh the history and cultural significance of Gyeongbokgung
    • Saint Alexander Nevsky Cathedral, Sofia
      • Largest cathedral in the Balkans, but a modern structure. Article is currently poorly developed and doesn't explain significance of it beyond that.
    • Neuschwanstein Castle
      • Visitor statistics here; 1.3 million annual visitors is lower than Gyeongbokgung, which has received around 2.5-3 million annually since 2002. (see Gyeongbokgung#Tourism). It mentions the castle being a symbol of Romanticism, but unsourced.
    • Ostankino Tower
      • A modern structure, and no real discussion of cultural significance besides being the tallest free-standing structure in Europe and used for broadcasting.
    In terms of visitor numbers, Gyeongbokgung likely beats out a reasonable number of the sites. seefooddiet (talk) 05:13, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add Changdeokgung

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The main royal palace of Korea for centuries. Also a UNESCO World Heritage Site, the best preserved Korean royal palace, and among the top 10 most visited locations in Korea by tourists. I'm also working on this article as well.

Should go under Arts/Specific structures. Think it's at least as prominent as many other things on the list.

Support
  1. As nominator seefooddiet (talk) 23:56, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. 45 interwikis, UNESCO WH, yes, I it can be V5. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:00, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss
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Above, I nominated Journeyman and On-the-job training. In addition to these, I think we should consider adding the following topics.

Add Tradesperson

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Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 21:07, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. From the article, "The terms "skilled worker," "craftsman," "artisan," and "tradesman" were used in senses that overlap". The article doesn't have many interwikis, nor does it make a well argued (referenced) case why it is not a synonym of the above. I'll support adding a better-known (IMHO) term "artisan" below (8 vs 42 interwikis). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:58, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discuss

Add Artisan

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Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 21:07, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per my comment above. 42 interwikis, important historical concept. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:58, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Sure. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:42, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Add Master craftsman

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Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 21:07, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. 14 interwikis, I am not convinced. Craftsman is a disambig and states that craftsman is just an experienced and succesfull artisan. The article itself tends to be more murky on that. I am wary of adding to many synonyms/overlapping and poorly defined concepts. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:58, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discuss

Add Machinist

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Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 21:07, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. 14 interwikis. Is this profession vital at this level? I am not convinced. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:58, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discuss
Signature

GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 21:07, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Above, Incense was nominated. This surprised me as incense is extremely important across cultures, and in multiple religions. I suspect this is Western bias, specifically American bias, because we don't tend to use incense quite as much as other cultures. I have gone through and found a few key pages related to incense that have not been included, and think they should be added.

Add Agarwood

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A fragrant, dark and resinous wood used in incense, perfume, and small hand carvings.

Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 21:38, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. While I agree incense is vital, I'll vote here based on a simple logic: (as someone interested in history and culture) have I ever heard this term? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:51, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discuss

Add Censer

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From the lede "A censer, incense burner, perfume burner or pastille burner is a vessel made for burning incense or perfume in some solid form."

Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 21:38, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. While I agree incense is vital, I'll vote here based on a simple logic: (as someone interested in history and culture) have I ever heard this term? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:51, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Frankincense

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An aromatic resin used in incense and perfumes. Frankincense has been traded on the Somali and Arabian Peninsula for more than 5,000 years. Notable in Christianity as one of the gifts given to Jesus by Biblical Magi  5

  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 21:38, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. pbp 21:39, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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  1. While I agree incense is vital, I'll vote here based on a simple logic: (as someone interested in history and culture) have I ever heard this term? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:51, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]


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Add Kōdō

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From the lede, "the art of appreciating Japanese incense, and involves using incense within a structure of codified conduct."

Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 21:38, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. While I agree incense is vital, I'll vote here based on a simple logic: (as someone interested in history and culture) have I ever heard this term? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:51, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
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Add Myrrh

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From the lede "a gum-resin extracted from a few small, thorny tree species of the Commiphora genus, belonging to the Burseraceae family. Myrrh resin has been used throughout history in medicine, perfumery, and incenses." Notable in Christianity as one of the gifts given to Jesus by Biblical Magi  5

Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 21:38, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. pbp 00:55, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. While I agree incense is vital, I'll vote here based on a simple logic: (as someone interested in history and culture) have I ever heard this term? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:51, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]


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Add Sandalwood

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From the lede "unlike many other aromatic woods, they retain their fragrance for decades. Sandalwood oil is extracted from the woods. Sandalwood is often cited as one of the most expensive woods in the world. Both the wood and the oil produce a distinctive fragrance that has been highly valued for centuries. Consequently, some species of these slow-growing trees have suffered over-harvesting in the past."

Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 21:38, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. pbp 10:27, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. While I agree incense is vital, I'll vote here based on a simple logic: (as someone interested in history and culture) have I ever heard this term? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:51, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]


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Neutral
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Add Sandalwood oil

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An essential oil obtained from the steam distillation of chips and billets cut from the heartwood of various species of sandalwood trees

Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 21:38, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Sandalwood above is probably enough.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:51, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Räucherkerze

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From the lede "an incense cone burned at Christmas time in Germany and in the Czech Republic in order to create pleasant scents around the house." Important example of European incense tradition.

Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 21:38, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. While I agree incense is vital, I'll vote here based on a simple logic: (as someone interested in history and culture) have I ever heard this term? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:51, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
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Add Thurible

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From the lede "a metal incense burner suspended from chains, in which incense is burned during worship services. It is used in Christian churches, including those of the Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Assyrian Church of the East, Oriental Orthodox, Lutheran and Old Catholic denominations, as well as in some Continental Reformed, Presbyterian, Methodist and Anglican churches (with its use almost universal amongst Anglican churches of Anglo Catholic churchmanship)."

Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 21:38, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. While I agree incense is vital, I'll vote here based on a simple logic: (as someone interested in history and culture) have I ever heard this term? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:51, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
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GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 21:38, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

[edit]

It is the clear outlier in terms of pageviews. The UK is also over represented as countries like Germany, Russia and France have more museums.

Support
  1. As nom. Sahaib (talk) 08:27, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. pbp 10:26, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Kevinishere15 (talk) 19:13, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Nothing in its lead suggests it is anything but a regular museum, unknown to everyone but few locals and tourists.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:49, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
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Remove Culture of North America

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Entry criticized in a related discussion above by @LaukkuTheGreit and Iostn:. I concur this is a low vitality concept - NA as a continent doesn't really have much of a common culture. What there is, is much more niche than European or Asian or African, or, heck, pretty much any other region. Which is whyu this article is just a list of related topics, rather than a proper prose article like other contintental culture ones. I assume it was added as part of a batch add of similar topics, but now it's time for it to go (you can also consider this as part of the proposed swap above, for the culture of the USA). We should probably V5 Culture of Mexico too (no, sorry, I don't think Canada has made much of a cultural impact on the world). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:47, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:47, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 07:54, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Culture of Mexico

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At V5, we should list cultures of major countries that have made a worldwide mark. Mexican cuisine  4, a subtopic, is V4, and I can think of a few more things (Day of the Dead  5 for example). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:47, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:48, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Easy support. Kevinishere15 (talk) 05:03, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. I agree with including cultures of countries. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 05:06, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Definitely vital. QuicoleJR (talk) 01:17, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Pornographic film actor

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Thinking about some vital professions and popular topics, both on Wikipedia and in general... yeah. 53 interwikis. Pornography  4 is V4. Actor  5 is V5, however (perhaps should be V4?). Worth discussing. Film director and Film producer probably should be V5-ed as well. Those are specific types of film-related occupations many folks recognize. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:12, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:12, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Porn is a fairly significant subject in culture and porn actors are widely discussed. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 04:58, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Film director

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Per above, a well known occupation that many folks recognize. 95 interwikis. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:12, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:12, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. Kevinishere15 (talk) 05:03, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 05:05, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 07:54, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Obviously. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:45, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Film producer

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Per above, a well known occupation that many folks recognize. 79 interwikis. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:12, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:12, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 05:05, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Obviously. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:45, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Art of Europe

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I was looking at Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/4/Arts, where we list Roman art  4, Chinese art  4, as well as African art  4, Chinese art  4 and such There's even a subheading "Non-Western art traditions". Above we discuss Western canon. Yet there is no European art listed. European art redirects to Art of Europe, which should be V4 - but we need to start the bump from here. Western art redirects here too, which might be less than ideal, but one problem at a time. (Another problem is the lack of Asian art article; this redirects to History of Asian art  5). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:40, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:40, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 05:00, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Kevinishere15 (talk) 05:04, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 10:04, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Asian art

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See above. I just restored that article from a redirect from a poorly discussed bold merge years ago. It is obviously V5, likely V4 like African art  4 or European art discussed above. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:40, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:40, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. Kevinishere15 (talk) 05:04, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]


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Add Prop

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Theatre  3 is V3, at V4 we have Audience  4, Costume  4, Stage (theatre)  4, Stagecraft  4, Acting  4, etc. While there may be a bit too many concepts at Wikipedia:Vital_articles/Level/4/Arts#Performing_arts (I am looking at Mime artist  4, for example...), I just suggested bumping Actor from V5 to V4. And the missing entry here, at V5, if not V4, would be a prop. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:59, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]


Support
  1. As nom. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:59, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 19:07, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 19:38, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. If Costume  4 is VA4, then Prop can be VA5. QuicoleJR (talk) 01:14, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Obviously. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:46, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Culture of major countries

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Following above discussions at #Culture of Mexico and #Culture of the United States, I looked at what we actually list at Wikipedia:Vital_articles/Level/5/Society_and_social_sciences/Culture#Culture_by_region and... it's just Culture of Japan  5 and Culture of Australia  5 (which possibly doubles as a regional entry). Sigh. Yes, really. No other countries, jus some regions (contients+Polynesian culture) and few odd concepts (err, The sea in culture, really? I don't think so... expect removal proposal soon). PS. Just in case someone wonders: we list Culture of Buddhism and Islamic culture here, while Christian culture  5 is lised under "Philosophy and religion". I think Buddhism and Islamic should be moved from 'by region' to where the Christian one is listed. Anyway, to country adds. I looked at Wikipedia:Vital_articles/Level/3#Countries and subjectively choose these countries which IMHO had some major influence on world's culture, past or present, comparable to US or Mexico we seem to support above, and Japan, present here (sorry, Canada, etc.). Plus Greece which did not make it to V3?? Numerically, there's some sys bias here, but region- and population wise, China, India, Brazil and Russia do cover a lot of the world; Africa and Middle East get some concept coverage, so... shrug. Discuss/suggest fixes. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:40, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add Culture of India

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Per above. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:40, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:40, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:49, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]


Oppose
  1. I would rather support Culture of South Asia. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 19:30, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @EchoVanguardZ Propose it and I'd support it. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 23:25, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Chinese culture

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Per above. (Culture of China redirects there). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:40, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:40, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Definitely. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 19:30, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 10:15, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:49, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Culture of Korea

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Per above. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:40, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:40, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Yes. We're including things under it anyway. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 19:31, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:49, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]


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Add Culture of France

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Per above. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:40, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:40, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Yes. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 19:32, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:49, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]


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Add Culture of Germany

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Per above. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:40, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:40, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 19:33, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:49, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]


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Add Culture of Italy

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Per above. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:40, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:40, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 19:33, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:49, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]


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Add Culture of the Netherlands

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Per above. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:40, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:40, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:49, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]


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Add Culture of Poland

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Per above. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:40, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:40, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 19:33, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:49, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]


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Add Culture of Russia

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Per above. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:40, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:40, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Definitely. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 19:34, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 10:15, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:49, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]


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Add Culture of Greece

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Per above. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:40, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:40, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Because of how old it is, and the influence on Western civilization. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 19:35, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:49, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]


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Add Culture of Spain

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Per above. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:40, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:40, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 19:35, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:49, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]


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Add Culture of the United Kingdom

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Per above. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:40, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:40, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Huge influence on the world through its colonial empire. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 19:36, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 10:15, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:49, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]


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Add Culture of Brazil

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Per above. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:40, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:40, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 19:36, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:49, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Arab culture

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Re-reading my rationale, I thin this one should be here as well. Middle East culture, [[]], [[]] are just redirects there I have created right now... --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:40, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:40, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Very large cultural group. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 19:37, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 10:15, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:49, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove The sea in culture

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Removed 4-0. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:52, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

A very odd entry in "Culture by region". Settning aside whether sea is a region, this is a random niche (9 interwikis) topic in "concepts in culture" . There is a ton of articles we have and that we can write about this, consider Category:Topics in culture. This would flood V5 (from Mars in culture to Cuckoo clock in culture and Wikipedia in culture). Sea is important, but so is sky, fire, love, whatever. I say strong no to anything "in culture" (also known in Wikiepdia as "in popular culture", "in fiction", etc.) or such at V5. Those are fun topics, I write them in fact, and there are just too many and too arbitrary to be at V5. V6, one day, sure. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:40, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:40, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. ~20 daily pageviews.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 07:52, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. PrimalMustelid (talk) 17:59, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Not a vital topic. QuicoleJR (talk) 01:05, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Arena football proposals

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Remove Arena football  5

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We just dropped Super Bowl to VA5, and, in that spirit, I wonder if this belongs at all. 14 interwikis is low for a VA5 (typically 20+). This sport isn't particularly old (only 44 years), and is almost exclusively played in the United States and Canada, and not at the highest level of gridiron football (the various Arena leagues are not at a talent level, compensation, or fan base to the NFL, arguably not even than college football)

Support
  1. pbp 21:00, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Does not seem like a vital sport. QuicoleJR (talk) 01:10, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Aye. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 02:26, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Swap Arena Football League  5 vs American Basketball Association

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Only 12 interwikis for Arena Football vs 33 for the ABA. Keeping AFL would be like include Minor League Baseball or Continental Basketball Association, as all are de facto or de jure major leagues with less than 20 interwikis. pbp 21:00, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. pbp 21:00, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support remove only
  1. Support remove, neutral on add. We definitely don't need an arena football league, but I'm not sure if the ABA is vital either. It didn't last very long as a rival to the NBA. QuicoleJR (talk) 01:10, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per above. The problem with the ABA was that even though it was big at the time, it only lasted 9 seasons. The American Football League was a longer-lasting and (arguably) more popular (don't say that the ABA was popular outside of the United States, it wasn't) rival league during this time period. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:53, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per above. Regional and otherwise niche. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 13:38, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Aye. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 02:26, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Swap Cuban rumba for Merengue music

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The Dominican Republic has a slightly larger population than Cuba which is represented by Music of Cuba  5 and Bolero  4. Notable merengue artists include Juan Luis Guerra  5, Johnny Ventura, Sergio Vargas and Rubby Pérez (died in the recent nightclub roof collapse). Cuban rumba is not to be confused with Rhumba  5 or Congolese rumba  5.

Support
  1. As nom. Sahaib (talk) 22:22, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Discussion

Remove British undergraduate degree classification

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Just one interwiki, too niche for V5. Odd (regional/national) entry in Wikipedia:Vital_articles/Level/5/Society_and_social_sciences/Culture#Education:_General competing with general concepts like PhD, MBA, primary school, etc. Not close at the same league. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 14:19, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 14:19, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 00:19, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 17:50, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Does not seem vital. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:11, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Licentiate (degree)

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A type of degree present in many countries. 30 interwikis. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 14:28, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 14:19, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 16:26, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove Islamic Azad University

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IMHO Wikipedia:Vital_articles/Level/5/Society_and_social_sciences/Culture#Educational_institutions is way too bloated, with ~200 entries - I'd cut it to 100. Many entries there are strictly national. This one has 22 interwikis and no claim of significance or influence in the lead. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 14:33, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 14:19, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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I haven't made up my mind yet, but is one of the largest comprehensive university systems in the world not a claim of significance? QuicoleJR (talk) 15:13, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@QuicoleJR It sounds nice but what does it mean? What is a "comprehensive systems of universities"? comprehensive system, comprehensive university system - all red links. There is the concept of a university system, but is that it? The claim is unreferenced. In the body there's a semi-referenced (no ref for that sentence, some refs a few sentences later that I did not check) claim that it "is the world's fifth-largest university", which seems to be confirmed by List of largest universities and university networks by enrollment. But #2, #3 and #4 from that list are not at V5, so either we add National University, Bangladesh, Anadolu University and California Community Colleges, or this is not a strong claim for vitality. And while a teriary education system that has million+ students sounds impressive, is it vital? I'd rather consider stuff like Higher education in the United States or (for this very case) Higher education in Iran (not a VA) rather than what is, effectively, a company. In fact, I may suggest a bit later to nuke a few or few dozen of unversities, and replace them with the "higher education in Fooland" articles. Or even Education in the United States. Come to think of it, IMHO we should be prioritizing such overview articles rather than the ones about individual schools (businesses); most of which are not very famous and are only know to locals and experts. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:06, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Remove Hong Kong University of Science and Technology

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Pretty unremarkable. " Founded in 1991, it was the territory's third institution to be granted university status...". ~30 interwikis. What makes it vital? Nothing, I fear. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 14:36, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 14:19, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Also, with under 20K students, would make it smaller than a lot of the other universities listed, in addition to being newer pbp 14:58, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Does not seem vital. QuicoleJR (talk) 15:14, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove Fudan University

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Chinese university. The only thing that makes it slightly vital is that it is a member of the C9 League, but I don't think that's enough, not yet - maybe once C9 League is as known as the Ivy League. For now, it is just a regional university that is unknown outside China. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 14:38, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]


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  1. As nom. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 14:19, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Discussion

Based on age, enrollment and interwikis, this may be more notable than others up for removal pbp 15:15, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Remove Xi'an Jiaotong University

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Same as above: Chinese university, member of the C9 League, and that's it. Just 17 interwikis. What makes it vital? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 14:38, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]


Support
  1. As nom. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 14:19, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. pbp 15:06, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Discussion

Add Cupcake and Muffin

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Two types of pastry that are certainly vital. If we have room for eight types of cake, including Christmas cake  5 and Wedding cake  5, we can make room for these, especially Muffin. Cupcake would go under cakes while Muffin would go under bread, both in Everyday Life. Both have 46 interwikis.

Support
  1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 15:59, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support both, can't decide if one is higher than the other  Carlwev  16:04, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Ok. Doughnut  5 is V5, those are similar conceptually and popularity-wise, IMHO. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:09, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 01:03, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Definitely add both. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:52, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Mixed
Neutral
Discuss

The Everyday life subpage is well over quota. Do you support the proposal to increase its quota? Lophotrochozoa (talk) 22:46, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add Boycott

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The idea of boycotts, a type of protest, has been around a long time all over the world. [8] It has had over 1.7 million page views since 2015 averaging 480 per day, and appears in 69 different language wikis. There is a category and list showing that there are many individual boycotts notable enough for their own article and that the concept is widespread and well documented. the concept can effect people, companies/organisations, countries/states/governments sports and more. Interestingly we do list the man from which the word came Charles Boycott, who seems less vital than the concept as a whole, having less than a third the pageviews and a third the languages at 23.

Support
  1. As nom.  Carlwev  16:16, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 16:26, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 16:37, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Definitely vital enough. QuicoleJR (talk) 16:54, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Right. An important form of activism. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:09, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  6. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 15:19, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  7. -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 01:02, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  8. I still question how we miss things like this. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:53, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  9. Adding to the avalanche, we miss things like this because the list is not generated with any top down, systematic approach. People nominate articles they are interested in as they stumble onto them, which is why we have so many biographies for celebrities and athletes while missing important scientists and topics like this. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 20:34, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Add Cognitive behavioral therapy

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Today Cognitive behavioral therapy is a common and well-known form of Psychotherapy  4. It's ranked as high-importance by WikiProjects Psychology and Medicine, and has around 1500 daily pageviews and 50 language versions.

Support
  1. As nominator. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 00:18, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Reasonable add. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:27, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Seems important enough. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:54, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Discussion

Add Torte and/or Layer cake

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For Wikipedia:Vital_articles/Level/5/Everyday_life#Food_types. Above we are likely to add cupcake and muffin. Donut is V5 already. So is sponge cake. And I like my sweets (they'll like be the death of me...). Anyway, when I think cakes, in Polish, the word "tort" is very common. I have to admit I have not heard "torte" used in English, but well, we have an article on that. I also note that we have an article on a very similar concept, that of a Sandwich cake (sandwich cake redirects there). Torte has 37 interwikis; layer cake just 14 (and no pl wiki version). The current articles don't seem to make a good case that they are not synonyms, so I'll suggest a merge. For now, we should add at least one of these, or maybe both (and see what merge discussion will end up with). I have a feeling that this is the same concept, but better known in English as a layer cake, and in many other countries, as a tort. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:20, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nominator. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:20, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support layer cake. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:56, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion

"Torte" is an important topic. At first, I was happy to see something that actually translates to many other European languages. But what bothers me is that the French Wikipedia simply links this concept to Pastry  4, which i already level 4. And there's neither a Spanish article. --Moscow Connection (talk) 17:26, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add Naturism

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Over 10 million page views since 2015 or 2800 views per day [9] article appears in 57 languages if I coiunt correct. According to some surveys somewhere between 7% and 14% of the population in US and UK identify as naturist/nudist, as much as one in seven people. There is a category dedicated to naturism, including categories and articles specific to 10 nations on top of other topics, while the main article mentions naturism in sections dedicated to 24 nations. There are events, resorts, magazines and some TV shows and movies dedicated to naturism, some of which have there own article. The topic is of interest to law, ethics, religion, and society in general. The media and many non-naturists often interested in the the topic possibly due to being interested in the concept of nudity in general, or offended by it. Nudity is included at level 4, but it is not unreasonable to expand upon it and add this article about the lifestyle choice here which covers some of the same ground, but is not the same thing.

Support
  1. Support as nom.  Carlwev  12:42, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. I thought this was a subset of nudism, in which case I would have supported nudism instead, but it appears to be the same thing, so I support, as this is a bit like a "subculture" which is fairly common and Nudity  4 is level 4. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 02:40, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Discus

Add education of Fooland articles

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Recently we discovered a gap in the form of Culture of Fooland articles, and above we are adding a number. Another one seems to be related to the field of education. (And I have a feeling it's just a tip of the iceberg). Anyway, I think we have too many higher education institutions listed (Wikipedia:Vital_articles/Level/5/Society_and_social_sciences/Culture#Educational_institutions is way too bloated, with ~200 entries). I think we should try to cut it to let's say a 100, and use the freed up 100 spots to add a dozen or two, or even three, overviews of education by country and region, just like above we are adding the culture overviews. I mean, if we add culture of the United States, for example, why not education in the United States or higher education in the United States? IMHO such overviews are much more vital than entries on individual institutions (some of which are just companies), and many of which have little impact or recognizability outside its small region (sometimes, province, not even a country) and educators/scholars (heck, I am an educator and researcher, and I don't recognize most of the universities we list). For now, my adds are similar to the culture adds, which is also similar to the list of countries listed at V3, but with a second take on which countries have multiple tertiary institutions listed at V5. I will make comments in various sections above for the adds. Feel free to propose others. Removals (which can be considered swap should follow soon, feel free to help gut the listed units from 200 to 100 or less :) --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add Education in the United States

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Currently, US has 40 universities listed at V5. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nominator. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Discussion

Add Higher education in the United States

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A rider-on to the above. After we add these, let's try to cut a dozen if not ~20 of the individual entries about US unis, mhm? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nominator. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Discussion

Add Education in Mexico

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Mexico has just a single university listed (National Autonomous University of Mexico  4), although at V4. As such, I don't think we need to add Higher education in Mexico (which doesn't even exist; it's just a redirect), but it is an important country and overview of education in it is likely V5. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nominator. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Discussion

Add Education in South Korea

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B/c Korea's split into South and North, we don't currently have an article on Education in Korea (it's just a disambig). Education in North Korea is not a vital topic. Higher education in South Korea should exist, but it's just a redirect. Right now, South Korea has 5 unis listed at V5. I think we should cut at least one if not 2+. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nominator. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Discussion

Add Education in India

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India also has 5 universities at V5, and likewise, after adding this, I think we can do with 2-3. In either case, it's a major country and we should have this overview here. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nominator. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Discussion

Add Higher education in India

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Since we have a dedicated article on h.e. in India, I think we should consider this, but I'd strongly tie this to some cuts. But I'd discuss cuts separately, not as swaps, that compliates stuff too much. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nominator. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Discussion


Add Education in China

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China currently has 12 units listed here. Yadda yadda after adding this and h.e. article, let's cut some? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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  1. As nominator. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Discussion

Add Higher education in China

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China is important enough to merit a h.e. entry here too. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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  1. As nominator. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Discussion


Add Education in Japan

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We list 12 Japanese unis. Let's cut a few later. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nominator. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Discussion

Add Higher education in Japan

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Just like with China. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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  1. As nominator. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Discussion


Add Education in France

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We list 9 French unis. Let's cut some later? Oh, Higher education in France is just a redirect, so not proposing it. Would, if it existed. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nominator. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Discussion


Add Education in Italy

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We list 5 Italian unis. Add two overviews, cut 2+ unis later. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nominator. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Discussion

Add Higher education in Italy

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We list 5 Italian unis. Add two overviews, cut 2+ unis later. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nominator. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Discussion


Add Education in Russia

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We list 3 Russian unis. Add two overviews, cut 2+ unis later. Higher education in Russia is just a redirect, so not proposing it. With just 3 unis, it probably is a borderline case, despite Russia's historical importance (but it was never an education leader... I digress). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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  1. As nominator. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Discussion


Add Education in Poland

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We list just one Polish uni, so I am not suggesting adding higher education in Poland. Maybe? I am a Pole, so maybe I am biased. Education in many V3 countries is worth discussing at V3. Vote away. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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  1. As nominator. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Discussion

Add Education in Brazil

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We list two Brazilian unis. It's a big and important country, and we should have this overview here. Higher education in Brazil is probably not needed. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nominator. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Discussion


Add Education in the United Kingdom

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We list 25. Cuts needed later. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nominator. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Discussion
  1. Education is a devolved power meaning that it is quite different in each country of the UK. For example, see the table in Education in Scotland#Provision of education in Scotland which shows the different terms used. Sahaib (talk) 14:28, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add Universities in the United Kingdom

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Important, certainly. Weirdly, Higher education in the United Kingdom redirects there. I've proposed a WP:RM - check what it is named one this is closed :) --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nominator. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Discussion

Add Education in Canada

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Comment: I did not propose culture of Canada per reasons I explained before, but Canada does have 7 universities listed (again, I think we should cut it by half, particularly once this is added). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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  1. As nominator. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Discussion

Add Higher education in Canada

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Likely still important at this level, unlike culture. At least that's my feeling based on the number of important Canadian unis we list (and that I hear about, or see citations to their researchers). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nominator. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Discussion

Add Education in Spain

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7 unis listed. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nominator. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Discussion

Add Higher education in Spain

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Can add, particularly since we can cut 2+ unis. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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  1. As nominator. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Discussion

Add Education in Germany

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24 unis listed. But higher education in Germany is just a redirect there, so, just his. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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  1. As nominator. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Discussion

Add Education in Iran

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3 universities listed currently at V5. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nominator. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Discussion

Add Education in Israel

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2 unis listed at V5. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nominator. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Discussion

Add Education in Singapore

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2 unis listed at V5. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nominator. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Discussion

Add Education in Austria

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2 unis listsed. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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  1. As nominator. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Discussion

Add Education in Belgium

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3 unis listed. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nominator. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Discussion

Add Education in the Netherlands

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6 universities listed (which is way too many, by the way, considering comparable countries...). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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  1. As nominator. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Discussion

Add Education in Sweden

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3 unis listed. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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  1. As nominator. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Discussion

Add Education in Switzerland

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3 unis listed. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nominator. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Discussion

Add Education in Australia

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9 unis listed at V5. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nominator. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Discussion

Add Tertiary education in Australia

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Might as well. Higher education in Australia redirects there. Likely should be renamed to higher, will start RM. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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  1. As nominator. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:46, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Some important education articles

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With the focus on adding education topics, I decided to look at the area a bit and found it missing some vital topics. Including a few of them.

Add Professor

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I can't believe we don't include this already.

Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 15:13, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 16:23, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 02:35, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 07:42, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  5. -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 01:01, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Definitely. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:58, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  7. Wow. Sigh. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:27, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  8. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:46, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Add Academic minor

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Would not support outside level 5, but I think it is at least vital enough for level 5. I have made some nominations on level 4 related to this.

Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 15:13, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Academic major should also be added. QuicoleJR (talk) 16:23, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    ...I came across Academic minor when I nominated the degree types on level 4. I didn't even think to check Academic major, and would have assumed it was already included. Strong support we should add that. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 05:29, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per QuicoleJR. Only support if academic major gets added as well. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:58, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Only 4 interwikis. I don't see how this translates to other education systems around the world and other languages. --Moscow Connection (talk) 16:42, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Weak oppose. I don't see evidence that this is common outside the USA. The Dutch and Finnish articles seem to talk about slightly different things. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 02:37, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    We have multiple individual U.S. universities, I thought a concept common to much of the U.S. education system at the University level would be as valuable an inclusion as any particular school. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 03:32, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 01:01, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
  1. Weak support. I think minor and major are more vital than emeritus below, but suprisingly, have less interwikis. As I've written elsewhere, I think we should add class, course and classroom befere such concepts. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:30, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Add Emeritus

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Not exclusive to academia but never heard it used outside of it.

Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 15:13, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 16:23, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Seems important enough. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:58, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. This doesn't translate well to other education systems around the world. The English Wikipedia article looks like a patchwork of random things from random places and cultures. --Moscow Connection (talk) 16:48, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 01:01, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
  1. 46 interwikis. But the article is a mess. Maybe. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:27, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    The article being a mess isn't really a case for excluding it. Vital articles are, in part, articles that we want to focus attention on cleaning up. If it's vital but a mess, it should be included to bring attention to it. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 05:31, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    I am concerned the article is OR outside the concept of 'professor emeritus', and frankly, I don't consider that concept vital. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:21, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Add Lecture

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I can't believe we don't include this already.

Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 15:13, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 16:23, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 02:34, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Definitely. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:58, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  5. About as vital as Class (education), Course (education) and Lesson  5. Or Classroom. I suggest adding the ones that are not here to the section to discuss too (ping nom) User:GeogSage. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:21, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    I'd support those if you want to open a new nomination, or put them in this one. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 05:25, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 01:01, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discuss

Add Seminar

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I can't believe we don't include this already.

Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 15:13, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 16:23, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 01:01, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Sure. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:58, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
  1. I am not opposed, but I'd rather see Class (education), Course (education) and Classroom added first. Seminars are not as common as the lecture proposed above, IMHO. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:22, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

I doubt it is one of 50,000 most important things on Earth. I'm sure there are many people who never heard of this. And the others have happily forgotten.
This whole bunch of proposals looks like something coming from a student. :-) --Moscow Connection (talk) 16:55, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I mean, I spent a long time as a student, but am currently on the other side of the podium. That said, "important" is relative, and I don't find a lot of things we include important at all. We have a huge bias towards entertainment and pop culture comparatively that I would start with if you don't think seminars are vital. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 02:04, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
What I want to say is that this thing doesn't "translate" well to other languages. (Yes, in Russian it's "seminar" – sounds fancy. But those "Russian seminars" can just be called "practice" or something. The Russian seminars are "a part of a course of study", which the English article says they are not.) --Moscow Connection (talk) 03:24, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
And this article says: "In some European universities, a seminar may be a large lecture course". So, basically, it admits that the term "seminar" stands for different things in different languages and different colleges/universities.
There's a good chance that all these 43 articles in different languages talk about different things that just happen to be called the same. --Moscow Connection (talk) 03:29, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Well, this is the English language Wikipedia, so the English use would be the main thing we care about. Obviously other language Wikipedia projects will have different words for concepts. I'm not sure if Russia or any other country has equivalent format of class, but we list several U.S. Universities and I'd think this concept is more important then the singular schools. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 03:46, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Well, "those people" in the Russian Wikipedia are under impression that what we are creating here is some kind of a list of articles every Wikipedia should have.
(They haven't started with the 50,000 list yet. Lucky for them. But at 10,000 they actually had to deal with something that didn't translate to Russian well or even at all.)
I mean, we should list universal concepts here. Which "seminars" may be and may be not, I'm not sure. --Moscow Connection (talk) 09:50, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Really? That is an interesting perspective, but that is not one of the stated goals of this project. If you look at the main page Wikipedia:Vital articles, it states "The five nested vital article levels are meant to give direction to the prioritization of improvements of English Wikipedia articles (e.g. which articles to bring to WP:GA and WP:FA status), to provide a measurement of quality of overall English Wikipedia (e.g. what proportion of the most important articles are at GA and FA status), and to serve as a centralized watchlist of English Wikipedia's most important articles. Unlike the list of articles every Wikipedia should have, they are tailored to the English Wikipedia and are actively maintained by the dedicated WikiProject Vital Articles." There is a separate project for what you're describing. I think it would be appropriate for other language projects to have their own separate vital articles. It just isn't really possible to work around not only concepts, but translations of those concepts, across ALL languages. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 18:00, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Now I see I was mistaken. The Russian 10,000 project (ru:Проект:Мириада) links the Wikimedia list and not the Enwiki Level 4 list. But wasn't the Wikimedia list taken from here originally? It does look similar.
And I thought that there would eventually be a 50,000-articles list, and it would be created by taking this Enwiki one. --Moscow Connection (talk) 21:40, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Now when I'm thinking of it, in Russia seminars are like usual lessons at secondary school. You have a teacher who gives you something to do. You need to do "exercises" or give answers to questions on paper or verbally. And the teacher evaluates your work. And, unlike during a lecture, you can interact with him. --Moscow Connection (talk) 09:50, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
A "lecture" is a "lecture" in every language. It's a universal concept. (It even says "lecture" in its name. /j) I highly doubt that there are countries where lectures are seminars or labs or PE or whatever. But a "seminar"... --Moscow Connection (talk) 09:50, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
"Well, this is the English language Wikipedia, so the English use would be the main thing we care about."
– If the "Seminar" article is about the English use, that it should be renamed to something like "Seminars in the United States and the Commonwealth of Nations". --Moscow Connection (talk) 09:58, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oops, this "Seminar" article actually says that "in some European universities" a seminar is a lecture. I forgot. --Moscow Connection (talk) 10:04, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Vital list is on English Wikipedia but it should not be affected by WP:SYSBIAS. A topic that's important only for US, for example, is not very vital (it may be - but no more or less than a topic important only for another large country - like Russia). Of course, given importance of US in geopolitics and culture, many American topics will be more vital than Russian. But let's keep SYSBIAS in mind and remember that the vital list should not be biased. It's international, not English. Just like Wikipedia itself. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:26, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The English Wikipedia article is undeveloped and repeats "the term 'seminar'", "the term 'seminar'" instead of just saying "seminar", as if not being sure whether the word and the concept it represents are universal. Moscow Connection (talk) 17:14, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add Thesis

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I can't believe we don't include this already.

Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 15:13, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 16:23, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 07:42, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 01:01, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Definitely. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:58, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Doh. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:18, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 15:13, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add Class (education)

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Per my comments above, seems more vital than some of the suggestions discussed. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:21, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:21, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Sure. The concept of a class is important. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:31, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Aye. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 01:19, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Weak oppose. Just lists a bunch of different meanings with no focus. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 17:57, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discuss

Add Classroom

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Per my comments above, seems more vital than some of the suggestions discussed. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:21, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:21, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Sure. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:31, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Aye. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 01:20, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Add Course (education)  5

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CLOSED
Article already listed. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:31, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Per my comments above, seems more vital than some of the suggestions discussed. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:21, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:21, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 17:56, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss
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Add The Jungle

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Upton Sinclair  4's most famous work. The lead states that "A review by Sinclair's contemporary [...] compared The Jungle to America's most famous novel written to expose a cruel system, by calling it "the Uncle Tom's Cabin  4 of wage slavery." The novel also lead to sanitation measures improving majorly in the US. I would also be open to swapping another entry with this, since the Arts section is a little over quota.

Support
  1. As nom. User:SameOldSameOldSameOld (talk)
  2. Seems vital enough for Level 5. QuicoleJR (talk) 21:45, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Sure. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:59, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
  1. Reasonable, but the quota is an issue. I'd entertain a swap or improving the quota. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:22, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think Arts could potentially use 100 more slots. I definitely think we could fill it, and I'd like to swap some creators with the works they created. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:04, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
After the more general TV topics were also moved to Arts getting the page to quota is going to be tricky, and there is an unallocated quota chunk of 100. On the other hand, I suppose it would be possible to cleanup the Arts section enough to meet quota, but that maybe would make things imbalanced in favour of things like sports and video games (their page has a lot of room right now) the latter of which we've been cautious about adding more examples of.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 08:35, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

@QuicoleJR: @LaukkuTheGreit: I would suggest that you propose a quota increase on the main level 5 talk page, but since the vote to reallocate the unallocated quota slots has been ignored (though it's still possible to vote), I suspect that we don't have a functioning system for reallocating the quota. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 15:06, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add 21 (Adele album)

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As the best selling album of the 21st century this is a must.

Support
  1. -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 01:23, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. One of the 20 best-selling albums of all time, and it was very well-received by critics. QuicoleJR (talk) 01:45, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Remove Kompas or swap for Mass media in Indonesia

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Indonesian newspaper, 9 interwikis, nothing in the article suggests vitality. Yes, Indonesia is big, but the article doesn't say this is the largest newspaper in the country (although this is likely the case per Mass media in Indonesia), all I see in the body is a note that it was an early Internet adopter in the country, No claim of influence outside the country. Anyway, these days I am increasingly convinced we need to replace such articles with general overviews like aformentioned Mass media in Indonesia (feel free to vote for swap, I'd be fine with this too). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:16, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:16, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Remove Coin magic  5

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Niche topic at ~15-20 daily pageviews and 1 interwiki. Other stage magic articles such as Sleight of hand  5 should be sufficient.

Support
  1. As nom.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 09:00, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. pbp 11:30, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
  1. I guess. That said, it is something that is seen here and there. Magic (illusion)  4 is V4. Similar. Card manipulation  5 is V5, as is Sleight of hand  5 and Escapology  5. And few others: Wikipedia:Vital_articles/Level/5/Arts#Magic. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:32, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

To consuder to add: as intermediaries or additions, there's Close-up magic and Platform magic to consider as general catch-them-all terms. Talking about individual tricks that are pretty famous, I'd consider Hat-trick (magic trick), Sawing a woman in half and Predicament escape, although the latter may be a mergeable fork to escapology. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:32, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add Hat-trick (magic trick)

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Seems pretty iconic, at least as much as other stuff listed at Wikipedia:Vital_articles/Level/5/Arts#Magic. Just 3 interwikis, but still... --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:40, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:40, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Sure. A lot of people know what this is. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:20, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Swap: Remove The Crocodile Hunter  5, add Cosmos: A Personal Voyage

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The former is a stub with the best vitality claim being that the subject is a decently popular long-running series, but it's among the least-read TV show articles on VA5, whereas the latter has better vitality claims ("a watershed moment for science-themed television programming", groundbreaking special effects, bringing the music of Vangelis  5 "to the attention of a global audience", "seen by over 500 million people", although not all this is sourced) and stats (34 vs. 11 interwikis, ~300 vs. ~170 daily pageviews, 228 vs. 85 page watchers), is older, and is honestly what I'd expect to be included in a list of important television productions from all time. The Crocodile Hunter's host, Steve Irwin  5, is the one who gets the majority of reader attention instead of his show, and while the same could be said about Carl Sagan  4 vs. Cosmos, this swap still would be an improvement.

Link to previous discussion attempting to remove The Crocodile Hunter.

Support
  1. As nom.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 14:54, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Weak Support. I proposed adding Steve Irwin on level 4 just now, I think if he isn't level 4, we can safely cut the biographies in half. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 16:14, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Oppose removing The Crocodile Hunter, still a notable show largely because of its international outreach. Its article really doesn't do it justice. That being said, the Sagan show should definitely be added, huge impact. Idiosincrático (talk) 18:21, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

@GeogSage: Given that Irwin is not gonna pass the vote at level 4, you may want to change your vote here.
P. S. The Crocodile Hunter is a very notable show but must less so since Discovery Channel left Russia... :-) Like, really, you may be surprised to know how easily everything is forgotten. While there were Animal Planet and Discovery, people watched them. But when they disappeared, they aren't even needed. Watching animals run around was a very niché hobby to start with... --Moscow Connection (talk) 18:22, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Remove Lu Zhishen

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Support
  1. 2001:4455:389:2700:F964:CFF3:EB57:C37C (talk) 19:09, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. No rationale provided. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:14, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Article was originally nominated for removal at VA4, unclear if IP understood that they were at VA5 and not VA4 or if he wanted them bumped down to VA5 or removed outright. pbp 19:34, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Remove Hikaru Genji

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Support
  1. 2001:4455:389:2700:F964:CFF3:EB57:C37C (talk) 19:09, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. No rationale. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:29, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Article was originally nominated for removal at VA4, unclear if IP understood that they were at VA5 and not VA4 or if he wanted them bumped down to VA5 or removed outright. pbp 19:34, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Remove Hercule Poirot

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Support
  1. 2001:4455:389:2700:F964:CFF3:EB57:C37C (talk) 19:09, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. One of the most famous and prolific fictional detectives. pbp 19:34, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per above. Kevinishere15 (talk) 19:42, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 19:45, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Article was originally nominated for removal at VA4, unclear if IP understood that they were at VA5 and not VA4 or if he wanted them bumped down to VA5 or removed outright. pbp 19:34, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Remove Dr. Watson

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We don't need another vital character from Sherlock holmes. Arsène Lupin is also vital, and now this? Dr. Watson doesn't have that much impact at all.

Support
  1. 2001:4455:389:2700:F964:CFF3:EB57:C37C (talk) 19:09, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Agreed that only Holmes himself is vital pbp 19:34, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Popularised a character type, I would not remove as long we don't list Sidekick.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 19:55, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Sherlock is V4, so Watson being V5 makes sense, also contributed to sidekick characters per above. Kevinishere15 (talk) 04:04, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per above. QuicoleJR (talk) 23:09, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Article was originally nominated for removal at VA4, unclear if IP understood that they were at VA5 and not VA4 or if he wanted them bumped down to VA5 or removed outright. pbp 19:34, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add Past tense, Present tense and Future tense

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With Grammatical tense  4 at VA4, it would logically follow that the three most common divisions of grammatical tenses should be at VA5 pbp 20:05, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. pbp 20:05, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Definitely add all three; they're essential grammar topics. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:24, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. V5 easily. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 13:02, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Makes sense to me. QuicoleJR (talk) 21:13, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Makes tense to me.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 07:40, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion

Basketball teams change-up

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When I look at what basketball teams are listed, I feel like it's very lackluster. We can all agree that there's no doubt that the Boston Celtics  5, Harlem Globetrotters  5, Los Angeles Lakers  5, and United States men's national basketball team  5 are all 100% vital. But the rest need some fixing.

Remove Chicago Bulls  5

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I just simply can't see why the Bulls are listed. Oh, I know why? Michael Jordan  4, that's why. The single reason why the Bulls are listed is because they were a dynasty FOR LESS THAN A DECADE because they had (arguably) the greatest person to ever play basketball. They were never good before Jordan, and they've never been good after Jordan (besides those 2 years Derrick Rose was good). They're well behind the Celtics and Lakers in terms of NBA champions (a mere 6 compared to 18 and 17 respectively), and they're not even third in NBA championships; they're behind the Golden State Warriors! The Warriors would definitely be a better team to list because of more success (and also all of their championships at least weren't contained in less than a decade), and even then I don't think they should be listed! The point is, the Bulls are only listed because of Jordan, and they should not be listed because of that.

Support
  1. As nom. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:54, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. λ NegativeMP1 03:05, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Mediocre except for Jordan era, and now have fewer rings than the Warriors pbp 03:06, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Support. mixed vote. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 04:14, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Oppose. Did you forget about Scotty Pippen? --Moscow Connection (talk) 04:07, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, Pippen is a notable player too (and Dennis Rodman  5 while we're at it), but the problem is that he only played for the Bulls during the Jordan era. That changes nothing about how the Bulls have been irrelevant before and after Jordan. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 04:11, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    The Chicago Bulls still have a cult following around the world. While just below you are proposing to add some teams that absolutely no one outside the U.S. knows about. (The Bulls would destroy those for sure. /j) --Moscow Connection (talk) 04:22, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    The Warriors also have a cult following (mainly because of their recent success), and I can't see the Warriors being listed (as mentioned above). JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 04:30, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    I think we have place for both. Still better than adding the 330 ml can – I'm hinting at all those different types of towers and rooms, and the architectural elements and "Short hair  5" just above. At least, here, you can write actual articles and people will actually read them. (Opps, they are already written and have thousands of views per day.) --Moscow Connection (talk) 17:12, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Like really, how come you supported "Short hair  5", which is a non-article that may even wake up on AfD tomorrow, and at the same time you want to get rid of the Chicago Bulls? Just saying. This "Vital articles" project is really messed up. --Moscow Connection (talk) 17:24, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @Moscow Connection You bring up an interesting point that I've been thinking about of late. I may want to workshop this with you on your talk page pbp 19:01, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Oppose -1ctinus📝🗨 18:21, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discuss

Add Kentucky Wildcats men's basketball

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You know what surprises me? We have no college basketball teams listed, men or women. Especially considering it's as popular as college football (which we have 2 teams listed), we should have at least 1, possibly 2 listed. Maybe it's because it's hard to pick one, and indeed it was. I decided to choose Kentucky (also considered North Carolina, Kansas, Duke, and UCLA) because they are the team that I feel has the most sustained success (although UNC does come very close). They have the most bids in the NCAA tournament by a good margin, the second most championships (and the one team that's ahead of them is because of an unstoppable decade-long dynasty), the best winning percentage, the most victories, several Hall of Fame coaches, many amazing players, and higher pageviews than UNC, Kansas, and UCLA. The statistics point in UK's favor, and although I definitely think UNC could be added too (we have room to add 2), I'm starting with just this proposal.

Support
  1. As nom. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:54, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. I understand the logic behind this proposal but I simply cannot support proposals to add Ameri-centric topics like this when we in reality need far less. 7 interwikis. λ NegativeMP1 03:05, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Then why do we list 2 college football teams? The arguments against adding this and UConn could also be applied to the 2 college football teams we list (Ameri-centric, low interwikis) and college football has a similar vitality to college basketball. If anything, college basketball has more international players so it would be recognized more internationally (although that's not saying much). One of the major reasons why I did this proposal, as mentioned, was because 2 college football teams are listed, and college basketball teams have similar vitality to college football teams. It's an either/or situation; I feel listing college football teams is incomplete without listing college basketball teams, but if these proposals fail (which seems likely), then we shouldn't list any college football team either. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 04:05, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't think we should list those. λ NegativeMP1 05:20, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @NegativeMP1 Let's remove them Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:25, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Make the proposals and there's a good chance I will support them. λ NegativeMP1 03:30, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    I'd support them too based on this discussion. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 22:55, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Not enough interwikis. The concept of College basketball  5 just isn't well enough known outside the Uited States. Also should be UCLA anyway pbp 03:11, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Oppose. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 03:27, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add UConn Huskies women's basketball

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FAILED
Not added, 1-3 pbp 00:27, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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I also believe that we should list a women's team (especially considering women's basketball as a whole is on the rise), and thankfully this one was so much easier to pick. There's no doubt to who should be listed. UConn is pretty much the runaway leader in women's basketball success, and is the name that most people recognize. There's no doubt that UConn is a worthy candidate for vitality.

Support
  1. As nom. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:54, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. I understand the logic behind this proposal but I simply cannot support proposals to add Ameri-centric topics like this when we in reality need far less. 3 interwikis. λ NegativeMP1 03:05, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Three interwikis for a fame topic = 😬😬😬. For some idd reason, the team has three interwikis but their coach has eight. pbp 03:13, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. oppose. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 03:27, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Dynasty

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A pretty basic concept with a pretty small 89 interwikis.

Support
  1. As nom. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 04:21, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 07:40, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support  Carlwev  10:38, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. I'm surprised this wasn't here. Should probably be VA4. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 17:55, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  5. V5 sure. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:21, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
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Swap: Remove Shape note  5, add Musical note

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The former is more of a special case in musical notation (and probably a fairly niche American thing at 4 interwikis, thus hardly more important than e.g. the not-listed Solfège). The latter on the other hand is a less obscure concept in music, some of you might even have heard examples of it.

Addition can go under Music theory alongside other fundamentals like Pitch (music)  5.

Support
  1. As nom.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 10:14, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support  Carlwev  10:39, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Shape note does not seem important enough. Also, musical note is not just a part of musical notation, it is one of the primary elements of music in its own right. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 01:56, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Strong support add, I feel shape notes are too obscure to not support the swap. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:19, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Pashtuns

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Lots of interwikis. Large ethnic group.

Support
  1. As nom. -1ctinus📝🗨 17:09, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 17:54, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Definitely. Hazaras should also be added too. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:20, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. V5 certainly. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:20, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  5. 60–70 million, probably large enough.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 06:52, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add Leadership

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Leadership is obviously an important topic.

Support
  1. As nominator. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 01:54, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. I guess so.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 20:07, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support per TonyTheTiger. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:21, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Lead on! --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:16, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Support per JpTheNotSoSuperior.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 06:47, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion

...and a vague one. Just what would, and would not, go in an article on leadership? pbp 15:30, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add Book burning

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Obviously a vital topic, tons of historical and cultural importance.

Support
  1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:10, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. More of a thing than I'd like it to be pbp 13:20, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Important topic when discussing Censorship  4. SameOldSameOldSameOld (talk) SameOldSameOldSameOld (talk) 15:39, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Sadly vital. Kevinishere15 (talk) 17:38, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Agree, sad but vital. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 02:25, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Definitely an important topic. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:21, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  7. Add under censorship?--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 06:46, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove several American TV shows

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Time to have this discussion again, I suppose.

Remove Leave It to Beaver  5

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Of the six shows in the 'Pre-1960' section, this one appears to be the least vital. Nothing in it's article suggests influence except for a few urban legends, the house being an attraction at Universal Studios, and a film adaptation that didn't even make back its budget.

Support
  1. As nom. SameOldSameOldSameOld (talk) SameOldSameOldSameOld (talk) 00:05, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 02:24, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 07:25, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Discussion

Remove Laverne & Shirley  5

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Nothing in this article suggests vitality. It was nominated for six Golden Globe Awards and one Emmy, but didn't win any of those. It received merchandise and an animated series, but this was common for many sitcoms of the 70s-90s. Lastly, the article for Happy Days  5 should be enough to cover this show as well as the entire franchise, none of its other spin-offs seem particularly noteworthy.

Support
  1. As nom. SameOldSameOldSameOld (talk) SameOldSameOldSameOld (talk) 00:05, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. We should make space for more important creative works such as Pinocchio (1940 film), The Rose of Versailles and whatnot.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 07:25, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Based on the number of references I see to this in other media, I'm going to have to oppose. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 02:24, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discussion

Remove I Dream of Jeannie  5

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Even the article states that it was "never a major ratings hit". Aside from a few movies, games, and comics, this doesn't seem vital at all to me.

Support
  1. As nom. SameOldSameOldSameOld (talk) SameOldSameOldSameOld (talk) 00:05, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. pbp 02:19, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Weak support. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 02:24, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Weak support, have heard of it but seems too cult-classicy in the overall history of TV shows.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 07:25, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove The Smurfs (1981 TV series)  5

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I don't think The Smurfs  5 needs to be represented this much; the article's "In popular culture" section just lists a few random examples (Some of which can apply to other shows we don't list, such as being parodied on Family Guy or Robot Chicken). It's enough to list Peyo  5 if we want to represent this franchise more than once.

Support
  1. As nom. SameOldSameOldSameOld (talk) SameOldSameOldSameOld (talk) 00:05, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 02:24, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Crossed my mind to nominate this, but was too lazy to check first if the wider Smurf article was listed, then forgot about it.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 07:25, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas

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SNOW closing because at 1-7, there is no way this could possibly pass. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:59, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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I am not an editor that edits video game articles frequently, however, I would like to propose that the article Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas be added to the Level-5 Vital Articles list under the Video games category since Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas is often regarded as one of the most influential video games of all time via various video game outlets.

  • Commercial success: According to Google, Grand Theft Auto has sold over 27 million copies since it's release in 2024, making it one of the best-selling video games in history.
  • Cultural impact: The game in my opinion has left a strong influence on video game culture, which I think is substantial. The game also has iconic characters, quotes, and themes that continue to appear in memes, music, and media today.
  • Critical acclaim: The game received widespread praise at release, with many high scores by review aggregators and Game of the Year awards garnered. Tying in with the games commercial success, I believe that it is the highest-selling game released for the Play Station 2 in history.
  • Enduring relevance: The game remains popular today through re-releases, mods, and its ongoing presence in discussions around video game design and history.

Due to these reasons that I listed above, I believe that Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas should be listed as a Level-5 Vital Article. JustTryingToBeSmart (talk) 00:34, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. Per nomination above 27 April 2025 (UTC)
Oppose
  1. I oppose this on first impulse but could be convinced otherwise. Video games are an area where we struggle to get coverage and many people debate which ones to include. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 02:23, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Even as a fan of the GTA series, I don't think San Andreas should be listed. Grand Theft Auto V  5 sold over 200,000,000 copies, and even GTA IV sold more copies than San Andreas. Most GTA games have been met with critical acclaim, so I don't think San Andreas is unique in that regard either. The only game from the original trilogy that deserves to be listed is Grand Theft Auto III  5 in my opinion, as it practically changed the way that action games look and feel. SameOldSameOldSameOld (talk) SameOldSameOldSameOld (talk) 02:37, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. We only need a singke article from the franchise pbp 05:59, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. The threshold to add even more video game subentries should be high. As I've said earlier, the next video games (or vg series) to add would probably be Prince of Persia and Ace Attorney.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 07:28, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Weak oppose, I think games are pretty perfectly represented as is, every major genre is covered with multiple examples (On second notice, we actually don't list some of the genres that we list specific examples of), as are many of the individual biggest and most influential games. I definitely don't think we should cut back much but I also don't think we need many more. Kevinishere15 (talk) 08:05, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  6. I'm not convinced that we need 3 individual GTA games. QuicoleJR (talk) 15:46, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  7. Weak oppose. I definitely think San Andreas is a more well known game than GTA III, but I think that importance is more important (especially if the two things are similar in recognizability), and GTA III is way more important than San Andreas (especially since also San Andreas is kinda related to GTA III). Also, listing 4 GTA entries is quite ridiculous, especially since we list four Mario, four Zelda, and three Pokemon articles. GTA is very popular, but I don't think it's that level of popularity. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:27, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
  1. We list the Grand Theft Auto  5 series, Grand Theft Auto III  5, and Grand Theft Auto V  5. That's two sub-entries. I suppose a case could be made that as big of a franchise as GTA could get as many sub-entries as The Legend of Zelda  5 and Mario (franchise)  5, which both have three sub-entries plus themselves. But I think that'd be a hard sell given that San Andreas wasn't too influential compared to III or V. We've also rejected more influential games solely for being sub-entries before such as Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty, even though that is quite possibly the most analyzed video game of all time and a truly exceptional example of video games as an art form. λ NegativeMP1 02:30, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss
  1. @User:JustTryingToBeSmart, you should vote under the "support" section I added. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 02:23, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank you for adding the section. I will now that you mentioned it. :) JustTryingToBeSmart (talk) 02:58, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Optimism and Pessimism

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These are clearly vital topics, everyone has heard of them. I could see these two topics making VA4. They both have 67 interwikis.

Support
  1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:28, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. pbp 13:47, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Definitely add both. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:22, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Another doh. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:15, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  5. --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 06:44, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
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Add Fatalism

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Idk much about philosophy but this has lots of interwikis and seems basic and important enough

Support
  1. Per nom. -1ctinus📝🗨 22:40, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add California Love

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Tupac Shakur  4 is a Level-4 artist that doesn't have any specific work listed at Level 5. In my opinion, all artists at V4 should have some sort of specific work listed at V5—regardless of whether or not that work was super influential. Thankfully, this song is extremely well known, won a ton of awards and is considered one of the best songs ever made (including being ranked on Rolling Stone's 500 Greatest Songs of All Time, even though #320 isn't exactly a high placement), and is also ranked Top-importance by WikiProject Hip hop. Honestly, even if Shakur wasn't Level-4, this is a song that probably warrants placement here as it's one of the most well known, popular, and critically acclaimed hip hop / rap songs.

Support
  1. As nom. λ NegativeMP1 22:57, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Primeira Liga

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We currently list (arguably) the top 6 biggest domestic soccer leagues in Europe, alongside Russia's league, which would probably be in the top 7 if it wasn't for a suspension in international competition. However, there's one more big European league that I feel should be listed: Portugal's. Portugal's league is arguably historically better than both the Netherlands and Russia (Portugal's league was listed ahead of the Netherlands league in UEFA rankings until a few years ago). We also list a team from Portugal (FC Porto  5).

Support
  1. As nom. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:49, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Decapitation

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Historically and culturally significant action / punishment. 50+ interwikis

Support
  1. As nom. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:10, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 06:44, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Important topic. QuicoleJR (talk) 02:07, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4.  Carlwev  10:05, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
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Add The Phantom of the Opera (novel)

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Famous novel. 40+ interwikis. Many adaptations, inspirations, etc.

Support
  1. As nom. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:10, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support, I had planned to nominate this again (I had a failed swap against an obscure Chinese work a couple of years ago) if/when there would ever be more room available in Arts. Most famous work of Gaston Leroux  5; the 1925 silent film adaptation is famous in its own right and the most major appearance of Lon Chaney  5; loosely adapted into an important early work in Chinese cinema; was an inspiration for Two-Face and possibly V (character) (as noted in the film's article; the original comic predates the Phantom musical).--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 06:35, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. I am surprised this wasn't listed yet. We should list more works, and this is a good one to add. QuicoleJR (talk) 02:09, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Kevinishere15 (talk) 04:22, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Student

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Subtopics include Students' union, Student activism, Student loan, Student orientation, Student affairs, Student boilersuit, Student council, Student debt, Student exchange program  5, Student fee, Student society, Student migration, Student publication, Student protest, Student riot, Student transport and Student voice.

Support
  1. As nom. Sahaib (talk) 08:20, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Add Facepalm next? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:49, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 19:29, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Kevinishere15 (talk) 19:53, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  5. I can't believe we don't already include this. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 20:26, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Facepalm

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Aka what we do here every time we see a nom like the one above :P 31 iwikis, 128 daily pageviews on en. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:49, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:49, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Feminist art removed without discussion

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JpTheNotSoSuperior has removed Feminist art and I can't find any discussion approving this removal.

Remove
Restore
Neutral
  1. Lophotrochozoa (talk) 12:15, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Discussion

@JpTheNotSoSuperior and JpTheNotSoSuperior:: Explain? Why didn't you discuss first? Why did you think it uncontroversial? pbp 12:32, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps a misunderstanding about what has been said about boldly handling redirected/merged items? Feminist art currently redirects to Feminist art movement. I say a redirect can be boldly removed if it leads to an already included article (since Cewbot eventually bypasses redirects so there would be a duplicate anyway), which is not the case here since Feminist art movement is not listed. The proper thing to do, as far as I can tell, would be to replace Feminist art with Feminist art movement or just let Cewbot do it.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 12:55, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add Petrobras

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One of the largest companies in the world.

Support
  1. as nom. -1ctinus📝🗨 16:00, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Iostn (talk) 16:13, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Pemex

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One of the most important things in Mexican politics, since Mexico's economy has been historically dependent oil.

Support
  1. as nom. -1ctinus📝🗨 16:00, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Certainly Iostn (talk) 16:13, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add Cocomelon

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Might be a bit to early to call this one, but looking at the trends of articles we include this looks like it might meet the criteria. Multi billion dollar children's YouTube channel that has some of the most watched videos of all time on YouTube. Likely to have a major impact on this generation of children, and definitely at least as vital as many of the cartoons and media franchises we include.

Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 20:38, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Weak support. It's recent but there's already evidence to suggest that it'll leave a long lasting impact [10] [11]. λ NegativeMP1 20:47, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. My kid watches it... --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 23:52, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. I think it is safe to say at this point that it has had enough of an impact on the next generation to warrant being listed at Level 5. QuicoleJR (talk) 21:48, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. I think there are better shows we could list to represent animation. SameOldSameOldSameOld (talk) SameOldSameOldSameOld (talk) 21:43, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 20:38, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add important subgenres

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I have noticed some gaps in our coverage of important subgenres of Level 4 genres. The below proposals are intended to help rectify that issue.

Add Psychological horror

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A major subgenre of Horror fiction  4, which currently only has Gothic fiction  5 as a subgenre. It deserves to be listed. 25 interwikis, rated High-Importance by WikiProject Horror and WikiProject Psychology,

Support
  1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 21:04, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. We already list examples like Silent Hill  5 and The Silence of the Lambs (film)  5. Kevinishere15 (talk) 21:18, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Yes. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:18, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Lovecraftian horror

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Also known as cosmic horror or eldritch horror, this is another very important subgenre of Horror fiction  4. This is the reason we list H. P. Lovecraft  4 at Level 4. Rated High-Importance by WikiProject Culture, WikiProject Horror, and WikiProject United States.

Support
  1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 21:04, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Kevinishere15 (talk) 21:25, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Yes. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:18, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]


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Add Historical romance

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A very popular and important subgenre of Romance novel  4, which is underrepresented at this level compared to other genres. Rated High-Importance by WikiProject Novels and Top-Importance by WikiProject Romance.

Support
  1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 21:04, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Kevinishere15 (talk) 21:21, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Contemporary romance

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A very popular and important subgenre of Romance novel  4, which is underrepresented at this level compared to other genres. Rated High-Importance by WikiProject Literature and Top-Importance by WikiProject Romance.

Support
  1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 21:04, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Military science fiction

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A major subgenre of Science fiction  4, similar in importance to Space opera  5. It has also had an impact on real life militaries. 30 interwikis, rated High-Importance by WikiProject Science fiction.

Support
  1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 21:04, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Kevinishere15 (talk) 21:22, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. aye. Wasn't going to add this myself as I'm a bit bias towards the genre but I'll support. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 04:17, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. I am pretty sure I suggested it a while back, and it did not fly back then. Too lazy to check the archive. Support, of course. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:18, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]


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Add Sense and Sensibility

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The debut novel by Jane Austen  4, Sense and Sensibility is one of those works where, even if you have never read it, you have likely heard of it. While it isn't as important as Pride and Prejudice  4, I think it deserves a slot at VA5 next to Emma (novel)  5. This book is very well-known and has had a major impact in popularizing the Romance novel  4 genre. It also looks like Arts is getting some extra quota slots soon, so that shouldn't be a point against this work. 46 interwikis is quite good, and it is rated High-Importance by WikiProject Novels and WikiProject Women writers.

Support
  1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 22:07, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 05:11, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Bowing

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Bowing is important in many cultures.

Support
  1. As nominator. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 05:10, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support  Carlwev  07:12, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 08:02, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. V4 for me. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:20, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Add Salute

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Various types of Salute are well known and have cultural relevance. Recently averages about 400 views per day.

Support
  1. As nominator. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 05:14, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support - the topic also has its own category grouping several articles about several types of salute.  Carlwev  07:11, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. I had thought about nominating this, but at the time Culture was overquota. Now there is room due to the TV moves.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 07:59, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Fair. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:20, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Indentured servitude

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Historically important form of labor. I wasn't sure whether this belonged on this page or "History and geography".

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  1. As nominator. EchoVanguardZ (talk) 05:27, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Definitely. Maybe even VA4. J947 ‡ edits 06:13, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 08:03, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. V5, sure. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:21, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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