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Explaining that there are different ideas about what antitheism is or isn't and there's not really one single authoritive definition.
Something about violent forms of antitheism. Note: this section will have to be well sourced and carefully worded.
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Skysmurf (talk) 17:07, 23 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I also notice that this article seems to only refer to a single, rather specific (and I doubt representative) definition of antitheism. It looks more as if somebody has put their own definition in here and then expanded it by only including sources that support this definition. May I suggest to have a close look at the German version of this article for an example of how to do it better? Unfortunately, I don't have time and nerves to start a long discussion on what atheism is and what not, but this article doesn't seem to do it justice. 149.154.233.72 (talk) 12:18, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Antiagnosticism (we don't have the page) has two major subcategories (and many smaller academic)

criticism by metaphysical naturalists/atheists
criticism by theists
(that's problematic as a separate "extras" because it's used by 1. and 2.)
Problems in definition, selection of focus, selection of range of topics to analyze, selection of significance (or specifically statistical significance of picking as a "measure" one bias over infinite others) of topics to analyze, etc.

We have antitheism, but we don't have antiagnosticism in Wikipedia.

Greek antitheist posters

Greek antitheist posters (actually analytical impersonal cosmogonology [cosmogonology (= comparing a list of cosmogonic theories): based on atheistic cosmogonic theories: Max Tegmark's, David Deutsch's, Andrei Linde's, Alexander Vilenkin's etc.]) (not all posters are analytical on what they propose to replace god)

the theist is a superphysicalist personocrat (personocrat: personhood-centric; or adherent of a dominant person) - Greek atheoposter

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This article currently references the Oxford English Dictionary, but the online version (www.oed.com) differs significantly from the information given here. The online version defines anti-theism as "The theory or belief that the doctrines of theism are wrong; opposition to or rejection of theism or theists" (earliest reference 1788), but anti-theist as "A person who is opposed to or critical of theism or theistic belief; a proponent or advocate of anti-theism" (earliest reference 1627).TonyP (talk) 19:35, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add "Part of a series on Discrimination" in Article

Antitheism is the hatred of religious people, which is why it should be apart of Discrimination and therefore should have the template. Discussing because my edit was reverted. @GreenLipstickLesbian DotesConks (talk) 23:00, 23 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

In that case, I'm sure you'll have no problem finding good quality academic sources that refer to it in such a manner. GreenLipstickLesbian 💌🦋 23:02, 23 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@GreenLipstickLesbian I find that you may have a bias here.

Definition of anti:

Opposed to; against

Definition of Theism:

Religion; belief in a god.

Antitheism:

Opposed to religion

That is discriminatory.

Nonetheless I still have sources:

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/03/hatred-basis-religion-or-belief-must-be-addressed-holistically-un-expert

and a PDF that talked about antitheism here: https://assets.gov.ie/238159/47bf485c-1cbc-4fa7-a288-f57f8aa41f08.pdf. DotesConks (talk) 20:00, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Could you explain why you "find that [I] may have a bias"?

Also, I think if you read those sources, the first is talking about discrimination based on identification with a specific religion, often by people of other religious groups. The second is a report for Atheist Ireland talking about hate crime laws in Ireland. In section three, it's specifically advocating that anti-discrimination laws not outlaw criticism of religion, because the authors find the concepts distinct. Did you mean to link those sources? GreenLipstickLesbian 💌🦋 20:11, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@GreenLipstickLesbian Yes, you are correct. That was my mistake, that was for another discrimination article. These are the sources I intended to put in:

https://www.abebooks.com/9781137477675/New-Atheist-Denial-History-Painter-1137477679/plp

https://www.amazon.com/Oxford-Handbook-Atheism-Handbooks/dp/0198745079

The books talk about New Atheism and Antitheism and how it is harmful to our society. DotesConks (talk) 20:20, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Those appear to be talking about New Atheism specifically, not anti-theism as a whole. Are those the sources you meant?

Also, I have to insist - you accused me of bias, and have not (as of yet) provided any evidence or clarification. Please do so. GreenLipstickLesbian 💌🦋 20:30, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@GreenLipstickLesbian Antitheism is referenced multiple times in both books, I've seen previews of it. Therefore it counts. Also I said "you MAY" not that you have one. I don't think you have one now. DotesConks (talk) 20:42, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Discrimination against atheists. PsyWoman (talk) 11:12, 26 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I concur that the discrimination sidebar or navigation footer should not be added to this page unless a majority of reliable sources can be shown to consider antitheism a form of discrimination. This is not about one editor considering the topic and making a sweeping conclusion on their own. It's about summarizing the literature that has been published about the topic. Binksternet (talk) 20:24, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]