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Pinging @Varoon2542 can you request the protection for this page., 49.15.230.92 is constantly trying to censor the article. Don't do this. 103.251.217.174 (talk) 13:55, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

WP:CANVASSING isn't going to work for this discussion, especially since the contemporary records show a very different narrative from the "forced conversions" narrative you (and other editors who still can't accept that the overwhelming majority of Goans left Hinduism voluntarily) have been trying to insert into this article and others. Mendonça's book makes it clear that the christianization of Goa was not due to force, but due to various incentives offered by the Portuguese Crown (e.g. full Portuguese citizenship, property rights for Christian women, etc.). Even temple demolitions began only after the majority of the natives in an area had switched religions. Copyediting a list of edicts passed by the Goa tribunal of the Portuguese Inquisition (started in 1560, 50 years after the christianisation process began in 1510 - note that Tiswadi was completely Christian by January 1563), and giving it the title "Forced conversions" is misleading. 49.15.234.121 (talk) 17:39, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Please read wide variety of academic journals. You are biased. There are dozens books on it.
Some of them
103.251.217.174 (talk) 18:28, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Your edit as well as your reply are completely dishonest, especially after the digitized records at the Torre de Tombo were made available for study. They reveal a very different narrative from what you've depicted: https://www.heraldgoa.in/Review/Goa%E2%80%99s-inquisition-facts-fiction-and-factoids/196631 The first article listed in your reply is also a distortion of Francis Xavier's letter to Rome, he criticized only the Brahmins and not all Hindus (https://sourcebooks.fordham.edu/mod/1543xavier1.asp). His request for the Inquisition tribunal in Goa also had to do with the arrival of crypto-Jews and crypto-Muslims from Iberia and not converted Hindus (See page 160 of Stephen Neil's 2004 book A History of Christianity in India: "your highness should institute the holy Inquisition; for there are many who live according to the law of Moses or the law of Muhammad without any fear of God or shame before men"). The second article you listed doesn't mention the Christianisation of Goa at all. The third article you listed also does not mention forced conversions: https://www.thefreelibrary.com/Rupture+and+continuity+in+colonial+discourses:+the+racialized...-a0122767916 The fourth article is about the Cuncolim revolt, and that was limited to upper-caste Brahmins and Kshatriyas in one area of Salcete after over half of Salcete had become Christian, including Goans in that same area. The last two links are both about the same book by A. B. Xavier, and that book describes the various self-interests involved for various groups of Goans when they decided to leave Hinduism. 49.15.232.137 (talk) 21:57, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Please read about Francis Xavier & what he said about india. He was a very racist towards india on his first arrival.

He said Indians are an “unholyrace” that they are “They are liars and cheats to the very backbone.”. that”the Indians being black themselves, consider their own color the best” and also that “they believe that their gods are black. On this account the great majority of their idols are as black as black can be, and moreover are generally so rubbed over with oil as to smell detestably, and seem to be as dirty as they are ugly and horrible to look at.” He writes to Rome to install inquisition in Goa immediately.

103.251.217.174 (talk) 11:45, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Again, you're being dishonest. The English translation of the entire letter is here: https://sourcebooks.fordham.edu/mod/1543xavier1.asp
He made it clear that he saw the Christian converts as being sincere about their religion, and he saw the Hindu Brahmins as thoroughly dishonest. 2402:8100:31AF:F00:53F6:2A46:874:3ECE (talk) 03:37, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's also written in your source..
https://sourcebooks.fordham.edu/mod/1543xavier1.asp
Have you read that yourself? 103.241.226.171 (talk) 11:33, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]