Talk:Gemini (language model)

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Should there be some mention of its diversity issues

I'm hesitant to edit to add this since I'm pretty sure it will get reverted but shouldn't there be some sort of mention of refusal to generate images of white males and generating intentionally historically inacurrate images. It has been mentioned by reliable sources like the BBC and New York Post. I think the coverage of it alongside the tweets about it with 100k+ likes should be enough to show that it is relevant to the article. Qwexcxewq (talk) 04:00, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's already at Gemini (chatbot)#Reception. This has to do with the chatbot (the artist formerly known as Bard) specifically, not the language model. InfiniteNexus (talk) 04:06, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Racism" in the "criticism" section

Regardless of the factual validity of the issue mentioned above (or the balance in the way that it's presented, since from what I could read online, the criticism was as much because of "Black Nazis" as it was due to some "White erasure"), implying that it equates to "racism" is representative of a minority POV that is controversial and not supported by much of the current consensus on racial research, as seen on the Reverse racism page. "Anti-white racism" or "reverse racism" is, in fact, not some widely accepted, self-evident concept, and attempting to introduce it here is, at best, factually dubious, and parroting fringe reactionary propaganda in any case. Hence, I've taken the liberty of removing the "racist" adjective.

Additionally, unlike what the above poster claims, the New York post is, in fact, not a "reliable" source for political matters (as per the perennial sources list) - and obviously, neither Elon Musk nor Jordan Peterson count as such either. 90.92.45.140 (talk) 22:38, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Any content about this incident does not belong on this article and should be moved to Gemini (chatbot). This is like putting information about the iPhone's camera on the article for iOS. InfiniteNexus (talk) 23:33, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

All right, thanks for correcting it, and I'm sorry that I didn't do so myself. Even after I read your response above, I somehow didn't pay attention to it - I should've been more conscious of what part of Gemini this actually belonged to. 90.92.45.140 (talk) 14:38, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Split gemma from gemini?

Currently, this page shows both gemma and gemini. However, there's major difference between the two. Would it make sense to make a separate page for gemma? gemma weights and code is available/released. gemini is significantly better/more capable. I think those key difference warrant a separate page. Anothercat613 (talk) 11:58, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Explain

User:InfiniteNexus please explain this edit (that had no edit summary) here [1] . Widefox; talk 20:36, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Widefox: I did not include an edit summary in my initial edit (a partial revert of this edit, which I now see was made by you) because it was a fairly trivial copyediting fix that should have been uncontroversial, but I did explain in my second revert. As this is a piped link, [[Multimodal learning|multimodal]] and [[multimodal learning|multimodal]] will both display in lowercase, since the link before the pipe character is not visible to readers. Given there is no difference in output, it is generally the norm to capitalize pipe links before the pipe character. That is the style used throughout the rest of this article and related ones (and most articles on Wikipedia at large — pick any one at random), so per MOS:RETAIN and MOS:CONSISTENT, it should not be arbitrarily changed even though there is technically no rule prohibiting the use of lowercase. Given you are an experienced user, I initially assumed that you were aware of all this and simply made a mistake by not realizing it was a piped link, hence my short edit summary, but now I am baffled as to why you would choose to edit-war over a trivial WP:COSMETIC edit. In any case, I will continue to assume good faith (WP:AGF) and await further clarification. InfiniteNexus (talk) 00:26, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, now I finally know what your edit was about. Per policy all edits should have summaries WP:FIES especially when undoing. You're an experienced editor, so you will know this and how piped links work, and the fact that links work if upper or lowercase, piping is a red-herring.

OK, now I know that, the burden is on me to justify my edit (which I've not done yet, but can be done if you insist this)

OK, for starters can you point to where piped links should be capitalised? (RETAIN is for Engvar variants, so irrelevant.) Widefox; talk 11:33, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I meant MOS:VAR, not RETAIN. As I mentioned, capitalizing piped links is by convention, even though it is not a "rule" — if you pick any article at random and inspect the lead, chances are you will find this to be the case. Examples: United States, Association football, Russian invasion of Ukraine, Jesus, Car. But again, it doesn't really matter, so if you insist because you have a particular preference for whatever reason, I'm not going to fight. InfiniteNexus (talk) 16:17, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]